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Old 08-04-2003, 08:58 AM   #141
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... Besides, statistics has nothing to say about truth or untruth, only mathematics.
But this is the point. The private personal view has no meaning in science. A personal disbelieve is as irrelevant as a believe, also, if this is a belief in science, skepticism or nothing.

It seems, that no one here does recognize a correlation between both, the statements given by the test person #3 in contrast to the given astrological analyses of its birth dates, or even a correlation, which may significant. If so, I think it should be easy to workout a professional evaluation that proves this result by the work of science and scientific methods. I think it would be helpful if anyone here comes up with a scientific professional work evaluating this. If skeptic is not only ignorance, then skeptics can show by scientific methods, that these astrological interpretations are without any meaning. It is obvious, that this evaluation examine each single used astrologic/psychological relation as known expert knowledge in astrology, to be quit sure that rational astronomical facts and its known astrological meaning were taken, because this logic is essential, as it gives proof of a reasonable understandable relations.

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Old 08-04-2003, 09:19 AM   #142
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You can observe this by yourself, if in August around 27th 2003, when the angles of the planets (Mars, Uranus Sun) are showing a time for earthquake, terror and similar crashes on our earth.
For those interested, +/-23 days and counting...
 
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For those interested, +/-23 days and counting...
Don't bother. On that date, there will be SOME sort of disaster as there is a disaster virtually every day of the year and so Volker will claim victory. It won't matter that the disaster was not as colossal as he implied... just one fire or minor quake will do.
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Old 08-04-2003, 10:06 AM   #144
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dannybhoy1.tripod.com/religion.htm
"Do not believe in anything simply because you have heard it.
Do not believe in anything simply because it is spoken and rumoured by many.
Do not believe in anything simply because it is found written in your religious books.
Do not believe in anything merely on the authority of your teachers and elders.
Do not believe in traditions because they have been handed down for many generations.
But after observation and analysis, when you find that anything agrees with reason and is conducive to the good and benefit of one and all, then accept it and live up to it.
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You never have realized this, little debunker.
What about me? I have practiced it. I have learned how to cast a horoscope. I have shown people their charts and given them my interpretation, and they have said that it pertained to them, and was helpful. I also know how to do Tarot. Same thing.

And yet it is all bunk. I know from personal experience. I know how to "do" astrology. I have done it. It's pure fantasy. I've even directly told people I just gave an interpretation to that it's all fantasy. They choose instead to believe that I am the unwitting channeller of unknown powers.
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Old 08-04-2003, 11:09 AM   #145
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And yet it is all bunk. I know from personal experience.
It is of no scientific relevance, if one knows from personal experience. Neither if one knows about experience, which is rated as bunk, nor if one knows about experience rated as evident, because there is in none of both cases a scientific reference. You can tell your grandmother, Mr. Randi, the people in IIDB about your experience, but it is as scientifically worthless, as a knowing from a personal experience about Mother Mary. Science needs more then statements about personal experience.

If you skeptic about this, ask Skeptics.

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Old 08-04-2003, 11:33 AM   #146
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For those interested, +/-23 days and counting...
It is true, that the stress starts in mid of August, but it seems, that this is enhanced +- 2 days to the 'due date' cura.free.fr/xv/13brianj.html.

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Old 08-04-2003, 11:49 AM   #147
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... just one fire or minor quake will do.
It seems, that you take your knowlede out of fantasy. I look at the planetary configuration. In January 2001 there was a high chance on the 26th of January for an earthquake at 03:15 UT, because at this time an index calculated from the planetary configuration for each 5 minutes was maximum.
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And it was.

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Old 08-04-2003, 11:57 AM   #148
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It is of no scientific relevance, if one knows from personal experience. Neither if one knows about experience, which is rated as bunk, nor if one knows about experience rated as evident, because there is none of both cases a scientific reference.
Wonderful. Thanks for clearing that up. I now leave the scientists in this thread to rip astrology a new asshole, and don't you come back with any anecdotes to refute them, as you have tried to do before. You just agreed that personal experience - anecdotes - are scientifically useless. And I agree. Thanks for allowing me to establish that point.
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And it was.

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Elucidate a mechanism for this action-at-a-distance and you may be onto something. Until you can propose a mechanism, there is no reason to believe that this is not coincidence.
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You just agreed that personal experience - anecdotes - are scientifically useless. And I agree.
Why have you posted then your experience?
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