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GenesisNemesis · 09-04-2007, 08:49 PM

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Well, I suppose its at least a thought. Or you know, that of which nothing greater can be thought.

The same can be said of the seemingly infinite vastness of the Universe. Does that mean it is God?

EternallyI · 09-04-2007, 09:00 PM

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Well, I suppose its at least a thought. Or you know, that of which nothing greater can be thought.

The same can be said of the seemingly infinite vastness of the Universe. Does that mean it is God?

No, not neccessarily.

GenesisNemesis · 09-04-2007, 09:02 PM

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No, not neccessarily.

Uh huh. How is it not the equivilent of God, then, if we cannot perceive its incredibility? If we cannot think of anything greater than it?

EternallyI · 09-04-2007, 09:13 PM

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No, not neccessarily.

Uh huh. How is it not the equivilent of God, then, if we cannot perceive its incredibility? If we cannot think of anything greater than it?

I think of the infinite vastness of the universe, and then I think of the being that created it and say to myself: Well, the creator is greater than its creation.

angelo · 09-05-2007, 04:23 AM

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Uh huh. How is it not the equivilent of God, then, if we cannot perceive its incredibility? If we cannot think of anything greater than it?

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I think of the infinite vastness of the universe, and then I think of the being that created it and say to myself: Well, the creator is greater than its creation.

Are you trying to win a Templeton Prize?

J. T. · 09-05-2007, 06:28 AM

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Uh huh. How is it not the equivilent of God, then, if we cannot perceive its incredibility? If we cannot think of anything greater than it?

I think of the infinite vastness of the universe, and then I think of the being that created it and say to myself: Well, the creator is greater than its creation.

I think of the being that created the universe, and then I think of the being that created the being and say to myself: Well, that's even bigger than the first one! Of course this doesn't go on forever. The Parable of the Billy Goats Gruff shows us that there are only three successively greater beings.

Headache · 09-05-2007, 07:19 AM

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Uh huh. How is it not the equivilent of God, then, if we cannot perceive its incredibility? If we cannot think of anything greater than it?

I think of the infinite vastness of the universe, and then I think of the being that created it and say to myself: Well, the creator is greater than its creation.

And who create the creator?

Surely something as complex as a being that can will a whole almost infinitely wast universe with all it's complex components into existence, must be so complex and so mind boggingly well designed that surely it must have a designer? Else why would the universe need one and not the creator of it?

Dirge · 09-05-2007, 07:34 AM

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I was wondering how and why did the question: Is there a God?, first come into the mind of humans? Was it in response to someone saying: "There is a God."? And if so, where did that person come up with it?

It seems that even the creatures that men have invented(in their minds) are based upon some strange combination of created matter that, in the natural world, no one has actually seen (unicorns, mermaids, fairies, etc.). Is God simply a name that we have given to explain human consciousness, or is there actually a God that is known through this consciousness and is the reason that we possess it(consciousness)?

It seems to me that in light of this mystery, religion does the best in explaining it; and that Christianity does so quite adequately. And if Christianity does have an explanation, why is it discounted as foolishness? Isn't it proper that God should give an explanation of creation to the creatures that are, for some reason, aware that they have a consciousness? Why is Christianity rejected simply because it does have answers? For my experience has been that if a non-Christian asks for a reason for something that is experienced in the world, or a question concerning the Christian faith, they reject the answer by claiming that the basis(the belief that there is a God) is questionable? Why in the heck would someone even ask the question, if they can't arrive at any understanding apart from the basic belief? And if they do temporarily accept the belief for arguments sake(I'm still suspicious that this is even possible in regards to the question of God), why at the point of explanation do they retreat to the rejection of the idea that they claim to have accepted for the sake of the argument?

Many human beings do see God, during NDEs. This has caused a German Philosopher, forget his name offhand, to theorize that people during the stone age, coming back from near death, reported a being of light welcoming them into the next life (just like today). In his opinion, this is the earliest concept of God, and thus religion. So the concept of God wouldn't be so much a belief, as a personal experience.

Alf · 09-05-2007, 11:34 PM

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The authors of the NT all have Mog in their names. Matthew ben Mog, Mark ben Mog, etc.

Is that a mog as in the mog in the movie spaceballs? The guy who was half man half dog and was his own best friend?

If you've never seen spaceballs you've missed something in your life. PS: Watch star wars first and then spaceballs.

Alf

Alf · 09-05-2007, 11:39 PM

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Uh huh. How is it not the equivilent of God, then, if we cannot perceive its incredibility? If we cannot think of anything greater than it?

I think of the infinite vastness of the universe, and then I think of the being that created it and say to myself: Well, the creator is greater than its creation.

Do you have evidence that it was ever created? Bring it forth! This was unknown to me.

Here I thought we didn't know it was created, that there was only some people who speculated that it was so or jumped to conclusions that wasn't warranted. Appearantly you have evidence that the rest of us has never seen. Bring it to the table!

Alf

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