Philosoft

This is the best God can do? How do you even know that? After all, he created a previous world that sucked so bad, he had to destroy everything. I recall God called that world "Good," did he not?

[snip political bait]

luvluv

mike decrock:

Yeah, the streets are running wild with it.

By what standard of value do you judge the Bible, and how do you know it is the correct one? Serious question.

Well, you did kind of post your incomplete thoughts to a public forum, which kind of indicates you wanted to discuss them, which is kind of hard if you won't fully articulate your argumet.

If this is just an internal dialogue on your part, why post at all?

NOGO:

That's as impressive an unsubstantiated argument as I've seen on these boards in quite a while. Really. You should write pamphlets.

Kids, if this is all you think about religion you are missing out on a really good career in propaganda. Part of the way you can separate the men from the boys in terms of debate is by taking notice of the people who totally minimize and dehumanize their opponents. There is too much of that going on around here, and it is nearly entirely from the atheist end. All the people in the history of the world who have been religious have been gullible sheep? Do you really think that?

Much, much smarter people than both of us have been believers, and have found the Bible to be a superior source of wisdom and moral virtue.

Starboy

The spittle you observe in the posts of many atheists is the result of intolerance and provocation dished out by many of the 'fine upstanding' Christians in this country. Some of us are tormented by Christian 'love' every day. You know what happens when you torment a creature day after day. It eventually turns on you and payback is a bitch. Christians who can't respect the thoughts and wishes of others and leave them alone are religious perverts. Our country is run amok with them. Do not get me wrong. The management of this site welcomes discussions of all kinds and I am all for this. But what I hope can happen here is that Christian perverts will turn off their “truth” shields for a moment and listen to the other side.

Starboy

mike_decock

For the most part.

Basic kindness and reason.

-Mike...

Radorth

Well it certainly was good when he created it. When I say this is the best he can do, I mean with him allowing free will. Could he create a better world if people were willing to obey his commandments, were free of the "works of the flesh"- immorality, selfish ambition, stealing, lying? Yes of course he could do "better" under those circumstances. Certainly it would apprear that he had done better.

And yet I ask you as well Philosoft. If he existed, and told you this world was the best he could do and still allow free will, would you choose to live here or not? Would you insist he take your suggestions before agreeing to live on the earth? I think not.

Rad

Daggah

So, Radorth, who was the author of that "Case for Atheism" again?

Or was that just another one of your dishonest sarcastic red-herrings?

Radorth

When in doubt, change subject.

How about you Daggah? You answer my relevant question and I'll answer your irrelevant one.

Such a deal.

Rad

Yellum Notnef

Daggah did not change the subject. He's simply asking you the same question you've been ignoring since page one.

A couple posts into page one you felt compelled to jump in with this gem of pure nonsense:

I quickly went through the thread and found two instances of people asking you who the wrote the "Case For Atheism",but did not find your response.

I must say that I'm shocked by this as it's very unlike you to leave peoples questions unanswered.

lpetrich

Radorth:
I'm saying people would live ON EARTH if God told them it was the best he could create, yes. And they already choose to rebuild on flood plains and earthquake faults when they have other choices, AS YOU WELL KNOW, so you have no case.

But why are flood plains and earthquake faults allowed to exist? Where is a danger-free spot on this planet? And will there be flood plains and earthquake faults in Heaven?

Those who do not have a choice are oppressed by their governments in virtually all cases.

Some well-placed lightning bolts ought to take care of that.

You are simply blaming God for anything that goes wrong with the world, including that caused by stupid, irresponsible governments and stupid people. You are effectively saying GOD forces them to live in dangerous places and leaves them no other choice.

Beside the point. And Radorth, I don't want to have to repeat my analogy about crimes of omission.

The marvel is that you don't vote for Bush, who took the initiative to do something about giving people more freedom and which he says is their GOD GIVEN right. ...

Whatever that alleged "initiative" was.

lpetrich

(more babies surviving...)
Radorth:
How about overturning Roe V Wade? Oh wait, those aren't babies even in the third trimester. I forget.

While it's OK for them to die after they are born.