xorbie

I don't know about this one. I think that any argument made against God by an ad hominem attack on Christians seems intrinisically flawed.... so what if some (or all) Christians are wrong? Just because the Christians version of God might be incorrect, does not mean some God or other does not exist.

Spenser

Perhaps I should have been more clear and labeled the conclusion to this argument:

"Therefore the Christian God does not exist!"

I'm not sure why you see it as an ad hominem attack on Christians. It simply states that Christian disagree on important issues of morality which is a clear fact, not an attack. Why should Christians disagree if there is an omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent God that has the power to show them what he truly believes, wishes, requires, Etc?

This argument cannot be used to disprove God, just the Christian one. I don't particularly think it is the strongest argument against the Christian God, however, I do see it as yet another on the highly tipped scale which weighs against his possibility...

Spenser

Are you bold enough to state that all Catholics are on the same sides of all issues? Albeit Abortion, Euthanasia, Prostitution, Pornography, Safe Sex, Drug Use, and Censorship?

Please, by all means, tell us exactly where your God stands on all the above issues. If you can't, then the argument holds just fine, if you can then we can further debate...

And I'll roll my eyes right back at ya!

Mageth

The "Catholic answer" given by SoTC doesn't answer the challenge, anyway. You're still left with the Catholic/Evangelical split, (as well as dissent among Catholics as mentioned by Spenser), and the question of why the Christian God would allow the RC/Evangelical split if RC was his intended One True Church.

SignOfTheCross

Abortion, Euthanasia, Prostitution, Pornography, premarital sex and drug use are all wrong according to the Church. Of course, some Catholics will disagree on the issues above, but their opinions aren't reflective of Church teaching, nor worthy of being heard.

Peace,
SOTC

SignOfTheCross

The "Catholic answer" is in defence of the Catholic position. Besides, I've made similar arguements to protestant apologists and they've handled them quite well. Why did God allow the split? There are probably a thousand answers, but I don't assume the position to answer on His behalf.

Peace,
SOTC

Spenser

Thank you! This leads to the point this argument makes, even 'some Catholics will disagree on the issues above' which shows that even in one sect of Christianity (the OG one at that) there is confusion as stated above. If God's word is so clear why would you even have opinions that aren't reflective of Church teaching from those that still profess to being Catholic?

and this is nothing more than your opinion: nor worthy of being heard. Galileo's observations weren't reflective of Church teachings now were they? The were plenty worthy of being heard instead of repressed, face it your church was just plain wrong!

You act as if the Church is infallible, and yet plenty of circumstances can be drawn to illustrate the opposite...

Wyz_sub10

I find this position very disturbing. What type of opinion is "worthy of being heard" do you figure?

SignOfTheCross

The Churches.

Peace,
SOTC

SignOfTheCross

Of course. You have to remember there are more who "profess" to be Catholic than there are actually Catholic. People would rather conform to social ideologies than Church authority, but one in full submission to the Church MUST must give an assent of faith to EVERYTHING the Church teaches, lest they be a heretic and excommunicated.

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and this is nothing more than your opinion: nor worthy of being heard. Galileo's observations weren't reflective of Church teachings now were they? The were plenty worthy of being heard instead of repressed, face it your church was just plain wrong!

Galileo isn't a Church doctrine.

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You act as if the Church is infallible, and yet plenty of circumstances can be drawn to illustrate the opposite...

Infallibility

Roman Catholic Church. Incapable of error in expounding doctrine on faith or morals.

No, Galileo's controversy doesn't contend.

Peace,
SOTC