Draygomb

Exactly.

God's have always been created as Conscious (Aware of their surroundings and able to think) and powerful. The nature of god's is to evolve more and more power as their previous powers are taken away by our understanding of nature. So I merely went for the most power a thing could have, the power to create everything else. But god must still be conscious for without that he is no better than an exploding bomb. A really big bomb but a bomb just the same.
<img src="graemlins/notworthy.gif" border="0" alt="[Not Worthy]" /> All Hail Da Bomb <img src="graemlins/notworthy.gif" border="0" alt="[Not Worthy]" />

An unconscious god would be unaware of your attempts to worship it, would be unable to instruct you on how to worship or even how to live your life.

Modern thought has it that if god isn't the first cause then god was created by the first cause which means the first cause is greater than god.

Draygomb

<img src="graemlins/notworthy.gif" border="0" alt="[Not Worthy]" /> All Hail Da Bomb <img src="graemlins/notworthy.gif" border="0" alt="[Not Worthy]" />

It just occured to me that saying something like that could start a firecracker cult. <img src="graemlins/banghead.gif" border="0" alt="[Bang Head]" />

Blu

Britinusa and Draygomb and essentially everyone,

Time and time again I see something here. All of you are attaching human characteristics like consciousness to a deity. Consciousness is a human state because human beings have a mind and the "mind", in a manner of speaking, is in a physical brain.

God isn't supposed to be physical therefore, cannot have a brain, therefore doesn't have a mind, therefore isn't conscious in the simplified human terms.

Chrisitians like to attach anger, love etc to God/Universe as well. These are human emotions. Why are they continuously associated to God?

I think Draygomb is really set in his argument...
Draygomb, did you read or learn somehow about this "First Cause" theory or did you come up with it on your own through thinking about it?

You have a set way in how you are going to think of deities in general. You are not listening to anyone else's ideas. You are only interested in trying to convince us of your argument. It is like having a one sided conversation. You discount everyone else's theories like your theory is the only Truth; you are supposed to possess all knowledge regarding the Universe (God) and everything else about existence. If this were true, then you would be God....

You are not.

Another thing.... The term "Xian" is getting thrown around left and right and I honestly have no idea what this is supposed to be. Can anyone enlighten me?

Draygomb

Blu

Are souls conscious?
Do they need a physical mind? I don't think so. Nor do I think god would need a physical mind in order to be conscious.

How is consciousness a "human characteristic"? Doesn't it apply to Apes and Dolphins? What about Aliens, would it apply to them? Get real, "Human Characteristic"

I heard about the first cause and then came to my own conclusions of what it would have to be like.

Xian is the same as Christian. Did you ever hear of X-mas (Christmas)? It's an abbreviation.

And No, I'm not interested in illogical theories. If someone has a logical point I'd love to hear it.

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Blu

Hello Draygomb,

Again you didn't really reply to much to what I wrote. I think I am no longer surprised.

Thank you for clarifing "Xian." Someone said that I was an "Xian." Anyway, I am not a Christian. I don't affiliate myself with any religion actually.

Draygomb

Blu

I responded almost point by point, What is it you think I missed?

britinusa

Blu

If you object to the word "consciousness" we can simply replace it with "awareness".
Is your god aware or unaware?
And please don't complain that awareness is a human characteristic.

Blu

Britusa,

I hate to say it but yet it is true....

Awareness is a human characteristic..

Most of my core points are written in the thread "Relative and Absolute Truth" Please refer to these pages...

Thank you

Draygomb

Blu

Existence is a Human characteristic so why do you insist on applying it to god?

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britinusa

Are you saying that "awareness" and "consciousness" are exclusively human characteristics?
Blu, you are simply indulging in a semantic game. It isn't impressing anyone.
But because I'm such a nice guy, I'll give it one more try: how about using the term "god-conscious"? Is your god "god-conscious", any other kind of (non-human)conscious or unconscious?