Vanderzyden

Rufus,

In light of your continued erroneous presumptions, why should I continue to engage you further on this topic?

John

Vanderzyden

No need for me to read any further. You do not EXPLAIN, much less SUBSTANTIATE, your bald claims.

Vanderzyden

It has direct and significant relevance. Where present, gravity acts on every single physical element, from the infinitesimal to the gargantuan, whether in a closed system or open. No one here has brought physical principles to bear on a refutation or correction of my application of hydrostatic pressure to the fetal CV system. Claims do not make an argument.

I think it's time that I refuse to repeat myself. My posts are there for all to see, and may be verified with a simple search on the web. If you have pointed questions that will serve to elucidate or refute the fundamental physical principles that I have repeatedly explained and illuststrated, then I will be happy to entertain them.


John

Vibr8gKiwi

Van, why do you post his explanation, then say he has no explanation? Are you trying to look insane?

RufusAtticus

You're engaging me on this topic? I thought we were discussing the consequences of your lack of engagment. If you don't address critism of your argument, then you effectively concede that it is valid. It is as simple as that.

P.S. I'm still waiting for your calculations.

~~RvFvS~~

Vanderzyden

Rufus,

Let me be explicit: I do not concede. Your two line responses do not constitute a rebuttal, or even a critique. Furthermore, much of what you have written is tangential.


John

RufusAtticus

Vander,

If you don't want to concede them, respond to them. It is as simple as that.

PS: I'm still waiting for your calculations.

Dr Rick

John, I'll wager that just about everyone completely agrees with you here.

Rick

Xixax

As someone who has sat outside the ring on this one, I would like to see the following addressed by Van:

Why the greater pressure at greater depths in the fluids will not counteract gravitational forces.

The calculations you spoke of.

Because regardless of all the other information posted here ( on topic information at least ), the issue of pressure in the circulatory system seems to be the major rift between those who proposed the changes and VZ.

I'm asking politely and with respect ( we have had other discussions on other forums here at infidels, and have yet to, as far as I know, post anything you would consider offensive to you ), so I'm hoping my request will not go unanswered.

Remember VZ, your posts are not just for those you are having a discussion with, but for lurkers as well. They are the reason, if you are confident in your position, you should continue to respond in spite of your frustration with those you are in disagreement with.

Jack the Bodiless

Vanderzyden:
If you wish to argue that Archimedes was wrong, or that steel ships do not exist: well, I am under no obligation to venture further into your private world of delusion.
I have not merely "refuted" you, I have utterly blown you out of the water. And with basic physics that should be known to every highschool student. Have you even heard of the name "Archimedes" anywhere? Do you ignore him because he wasn't a Christian, maybe?
No web search will save you, Vanderzyden. Anyone investigating the fundamental principles involved here will stumble upon the work of Archimedes sooner or later. Just for fun, I did a google search: "about 189,000" references to Archie on the Net.

But your sheer, stubborn, blind refusal to recognize your own defeat has been interesting to watch, and a lesson to anyone who might mistake creationism for science.