Iasion

Greetings GakuseiDon,

The meaning of E-Lektra as "not-bedded" comes from 5thC.BC. Steichorus' "Electra" according to a monograph "The Other Jesus" by David Doleshal. I have been unable to find this poem to verify it - perhaps someone can help?


As to Electra being a virgin, consider :

Diodorus Siculus, Book3, 60.4,5 :
"Atlantides ... distinguished for their chastity"

Arnobius, Against the Heathen, 22 :
"Electra ... robbed of .. honour and chastity"

Euripides, Iphigenia in Tauris,
"... virgin daughter. named Electra"

The Aenid :
"Electra's glories, and her injur'd bed."

Its pretty clear Electra was considered a virgin.


As to the name Iasius and its meaning, this name is found in various forms such as Iasius, Iasion, Jasion. The connection with healer is through Iaso. However I must admit I can find no reference to this specific character being called "Iason" or "Iaso".

Also,
there is no evidence for a Jewish or Aramaic Yehoshua or Yahshua version existing before the Greek Iesous Christos. The claim that Iesous is a transliteration of such a name is only later belief being read back into the history - the first form of the name is Iesous, and all early documents use this Greek form, in fact nearly all the early documents ARE Greek, there is little evidence of Aramaic originals.

As to how similar Iesous really is to Iasius, I leave that to the Greek experts.


Like I said - this Iasius character is an interesting case, somewhat similar to Jesus in some ways, different in others - I don't hang my thesis on it, I just thought this little known character would be relevant here.

Quentin

GakuseiDon

In that case, you can verify the linkage between them, where the similarities are striking. But you can't say "That Toyota has 4 wheels, so does that Rolls Royce, therefore one copied it from the other". It's just too general.

You may have a case about Poseidon crossing the water on his chariot, if you can show some similarity beyond he and Jesus using the water top as a road.

So, what would constitute striking similarities to Christianity, in your opinion?

And what *wouldn't* constitute striking similarities, in your opinion?

Peter Kirby

I had deleted Jerdog's post because it was unnecessarily acrid and brought more heat than light.

best,
Peter Kirby

GakuseiDon

It would seem to show that Electra was considered a virgin at *some* time, as you might expect. Can you find anything that says she was a virgin mother? That's the question.

Here is another quote from the site I gave earlier:
"To Atlas and Okeanos’ daughter Pleione were born (on Arkadian Kyllene) seven daughters called the Pleiades, whose names are Alkyone, Merope, Kelaino, Elektra, Sterope, Taygete, and Maia. Of these, Oinomaus married Sterope, and Sisyphos married Merope. Poseidon slept with two of them: first with Kelaino, fathering Lykos, whom Poseidon settled in the Islands of the Blest; and then with Alkyone, who bore him a daughter Aithusa (the mother with Apollon of Eleuther), and sons Hyrieus and Lykos … Zeus also slept with the other Atlantides." -Apollodorus 3.110-111

Also:
“[Hermes to his aunt the Pleaid Elektra:] ‘Good be with you, my mother’s sister [Maia], bed-fellow of Zeus!" - Dionysiaca 3.425

Well, yes, but I'm not sure what you are trying to say. "Jesus" was a common name that would have been transliterated into Greek before the Gospels were written. I assume it would have gone both ways, so the "Iesous" and "Jesus" didn't just appear at the time of the Gospels.

Fair enough. I understand that, but this is how the "Christ-myth" urban myth grows... and you can be sure that someone else will pick it up and say "Hey! Explain this!" and the cycle continues. I don't mean to be defensive, but usually people bring it up as a possibility, without unfortunately really look into these claims for themselves.

But thanks for the info, Quentin. It *is* interesting.

JERDOG

Poseidon's chariot fell through the water because his followers did not believe. Jesus walked on the water and made it because obviously he's that much better than any other messia.

The differances.

Jesus walked - Poseidon rode

Jesus made it - Poseidon didn't

You think that enough differance exist there to support your claim that the stoy was not ripped off. It is obviously a method of thinking that you would proably not use in the bank robber senerio I gave. Buthey you want "proof" when it's to you benifit don't side step when someone ask you for proof at a later date mmmk?

JERDOG

No you draw an unequal parelle. To say that Jesus was a great man that did good and that Poseidon was a great person that did good would be a hasty generalisation.

But to say that they both just happened to defy the properties of water is to specific in my book.

What was the birth day of the pagan sun god again?

GakuseiDon

OK.
25-Dec. When does the NT say that Jesus was born, out of interest?

Butters

The fact that it doesn't should tell you something.

Peter Kirby

Did you make this bit up? Jerdog seems to think this is part of an ancient story.

best,
Peter Kirby

JERDOG

Peter Kirby,
I was trusting the information put out by this person on the chariot sinking thing. I do research a lot, but I do not have the will to check every single little thing.
But no matter if that is a part of the story or not it doesn't detract from the fact that it has a vast simularity.