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Jimmy Higgins · 06-10-2003, 06:43 AM

Jean Sebastian Gigugre (sp) had one heck of a playoffs. He earned the Conn Smythe, yet you had atleast half the crowd booing him for winning it even while the Devils themselves were applauding his effort . The poor goalie was heartbroken for losing the final and the last thing he needed was for the crowd to boo him. I know there were a decent number of fans cheering him, but Clement was right. They weren't showing much class.

As a side note, his glove came in handy for carting off the Conn Smythe Trophy. That was one heck of a final. Seeing I'll never win the Stanley Cup, I would like to see it presented one day in person. I've had to honor of seeing it at the Hall of Fame in Toronto. To be able to read the historic names on it is amazing. And the fact that you can touch it is amazing, though I didn't because I simply wasn't worthy enough. Everybody wants that Stanley Cup.

Grad Student Humanist · 06-10-2003, 07:57 AM

This doesn't have anything to do with your post, but it is NHL related and ties into the other thread about the problems with MLB.

According to a talk show host on WQAM in Miami, the ratings for the spelling bee competition which aired on ESPN was greater than the ratings for the opening games in the Stanley Cup playoffs.

If that's true-- and personally I trust the source-- then the NHL is in big trouble. Everyone talks about baseball needing to contract and not expand, well that's exactly what the NHL needs to do as well. And, unlike baseball, several NHL teams have folded or relocated (a temporary solution at best) in the past few years. I can tell you from personal experience that the Florida Panthers for one should be folded or moved to Canada where the people actually appreciate hockey (the South Florida market is as front-running and fair-weather as it gets and the only teams which get consistent fan support are the football teams since they are competitive year in and year out).

Just thought I'd throw that out there since you seem to be such a big hockey fan. I'm just glad that the only sport I care about-- the NFL-- is in great shape. Other than pro football, I find myself less and less interested in all sports with each passing year.

PopeInTheWoods · 06-10-2003, 08:31 AM

Giguere was certainly worthy of the award, but my vote would have gone to Jeff Friesen. He scored huge goals throughout the playoffs, and his line with Lagenbrunner and Rupp dominated the Ducks in the last few games. Friesen was a notable difference-maker throughout the playoffs, which is much more difficult for a forward than a goalie. Brodeur would have been a strong candidate with all those shutouts, but his sub-par play in Game 3 turned the series around and gave the Ducks a chance.

As far as the Devils fans booing Giguere, as a former resident of East Rutherford all I can say is, "No surprise there."

Oh, well. Time to put away my Blue Jackets jersey and Sabres sweatshirt until September....

Andy

Radcliffe Emerson · 06-10-2003, 08:32 AM

I'd hate to see the Panthers go, that's my favorite NHL team. I have all 3 of their jerseys.
I watched all 7 games, at least until NJ scored their first goal last night. At that point I could feel it was over and did not want to watch them celebrate winning the Cup.
But yeah, the NHL is in trouble outside NHL cities (and inside some of them).
I think Bettman has erred by trying to make the NHL another version of the NBA, and it's angered traditional hockey fans, and at the same time, not brought in very many fair weather fans.
I've been a hockey fan for 30 years, and I want to see the old-style hockey return.
I look forward to the World Hockey Association returning. They're going to have salary caps, and they're going back to old-style play. At the point that returns, I won't really care if the NHL locksout or whatever.
As for baseball, the only thing I see wrong with it is the disparity between markets.
Heck, I'm even noticing the umps this year actually calling the strike zone as the book defines it!

Marat · 06-10-2003, 09:17 AM

You'd think the fans could be magnanimous in victory. They won, and that's very nice and all, but it was, at least to a degree, expected. After all, the Devils have something of a . . . yes, I'll say it . . . dynasty. But Anaheim? They were supposed to be long gone. No slight to Kariya & Co., but Giguere carried them through several playoff games. He deserved the Conn-Smythe. And if the Devils themselves could figure that out, it seems that their "fans" (those quotes are well-placed, JH) should have figured it out, too.

Having said all that, it was a good playoff series. Hats off to New Jersey.

Jimmy Higgins · 06-10-2003, 11:03 AM

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Originally posted by Marat
You'd think the fans could be magnanimous in victory. They won, and that's very nice and all, but it was, at least to a degree, expected. After all, the Devils have something of a . . . yes, I'll say it . . . dynasty. But Anaheim? They were supposed to be long gone. No slight to Kariya & Co., but Giguere carried them through several playoff games. He deserved the Conn-Smythe. And if the Devils themselves could figure that out, it seems that their "fans" (those quotes are well-placed, JH) should have figured it out, too.

Having said all that, it was a good playoff series. Hats off to New Jersey.

New Jersey did it again. That is one heck of a franchise. Here's a joke: What's the difference between Philadelphia and New Jersey? 3 Stanley Cups. Tell that to your local Flyers fan.

As for the fans, there is one thing I hate. Its fans of a team booing the other team, just because they are the other team. I've personally only boo'd once (against a player/team), and that was against Mahlakov who had a falling out with Montreal and was playing for Jersey. I boo'd him in Pittsburgh when they played Jersey. I've on occassion have applauded great plays by the other team because it is just a game in the end. I really refuse to boo the other team. Now I'm all for going crazy for your own team, as I usually do, unfortunately whenever they aren't at home. Thats good, but unless they've done something wrong or a player did something very wrong, booing the other team is poor sportsmanship. I don't like it a bit.

Marat · 06-10-2003, 11:51 AM

Absolutely. Good hockey is good hockey, and a good play/player is a good play/player, regardless of who made the play or the team he plays for. Give the credit where it's due. Booing is just incorrect. It's rude. It's poor sportsmanship. It's unnecessary. And it reflects badly on everyone.

A few years ago, Flynn and I went to St. Louis with Flynn to see the Calgary Flames play the Blues. Flynn wore his Theo Fleury jersey, and every time the Flames scored, we cheered. (It was lonely, too, as there were maybe a handful of people in the whole arena who were Flames fans.) The Blues fans around us were incredibly nice and didn't give us a hard time at all. They showed a great deal of good sportsmanship and camaraderie. Of course, the Blues also won . . . .

HaysooChreesto! · 06-10-2003, 02:27 PM

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Originally posted by Jimmy Higgins

As for the fans, there is one thing I hate. Its fans of a team booing the other team, just because they are the other team.

Ahem... Well when the Raiders were here in L.A. I had season tickets and I booed the Broncos until I was blue in the face because they're the Broncos. Same with the Chiefs, Chargers, and at the time, the Seahawks.
But those are storied and hated rivalries so that's to be expected. However, I never booed any team after the game when the Raiders had won. That's just asking for bad sports karma.

As one drunken Duck's fan said on tv the other night after the Ducks had tied the series at three apiece, "WE'RE GONNA WIN! AND IF WE DON'T WIN, WHO CARES?!?!? YOU STILL LIVE IN JERSEY!"
Classic.

Radcliffe Emerson · 06-10-2003, 02:43 PM

I don't think it's wrong to boo the other team, that is just showing support for my team.
As a Cubs fan, I'll boo the Cardinals and Mets the rest of my life, and I'll boo the Yankees when they win, and cheer when they lose.
It's not a personal thing against their players, it's just my reaction because I love the Cubs and despise those other teams.
The only time I don't do that is at World Series time, because I hate the American League in general for having the designated hitter, so I root for the NL team in the Series.

As a Florida Panthers fan, I was glad New Jersey knocked out Tampa. But at the same time I'm sick of Jersey I did not want them to advance any further. I turned the game off when the Devils scored their first goal last night and never went back to it, because I cannot stand to see them win.
That's just my reaction.

Oh yeah, and if I could relocate it would be California or Florida in a heartbeat, never New Jersey, so I love that Ducks comment too.

hezekiah jones · 06-10-2003, 02:57 PM

Originally posted by Jimmy Higgins
I've had the honor of seeing it at the Hall of Fame in Toronto.

You consider it an "honor" just to look The Mug in the Hockey Hall of Fame?

Man, you are like, pathologically Canadian.

06-10-2003, 06:43 AM	#1
Jimmy Higgins Contributor Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Proud Citizen of Freedonia Posts: 42,473	Darn Jersey "Fans" Jean Sebastian Gigugre (sp) had one heck of a playoffs. He earned the Conn Smythe, yet you had atleast half the crowd booing him for winning it even while the Devils themselves were applauding his effort . The poor goalie was heartbroken for losing the final and the last thing he needed was for the crowd to boo him. I know there were a decent number of fans cheering him, but Clement was right. They weren't showing much class. As a side note, his glove came in handy for carting off the Conn Smythe Trophy. That was one heck of a final. Seeing I'll never win the Stanley Cup, I would like to see it presented one day in person. I've had to honor of seeing it at the Hall of Fame in Toronto. To be able to read the historic names on it is amazing. And the fact that you can touch it is amazing, though I didn't because I simply wasn't worthy enough. Everybody wants that Stanley Cup.

06-10-2003, 09:17 AM	#5
Marat Regular Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: 6100 feet, CO, US Posts: 152	Word, Jimmy Higgins. You'd think the fans could be magnanimous in victory. They won, and that's very nice and all, but it was, at least to a degree, expected. After all, the Devils have something of a . . . yes, I'll say it . . . dynasty. But Anaheim? They were supposed to be long gone. No slight to Kariya & Co., but Giguere carried them through several playoff games. He deserved the Conn-Smythe. And if the Devils themselves could figure that out, it seems that their "fans" (those quotes are well-placed, JH) should have figured it out, too. Having said all that, it was a good playoff series. Hats off to New Jersey.

06-10-2003, 02:57 PM	#10
hezekiah jones Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: WI Posts: 4,357	That's hardcore Originally posted by Jimmy Higgins I've had the honor of seeing it at the Hall of Fame in Toronto. You consider it an "honor" just to look The Mug in the Hockey Hall of Fame? Man, you are like, pathologically Canadian.

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06-10-2003, 07:57 AM	#2
Grad Student Humanist Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Melrose, MA Posts: 961	This doesn't have anything to do with your post, but it is NHL related and ties into the other thread about the problems with MLB. According to a talk show host on WQAM in Miami, the ratings for the spelling bee competition which aired on ESPN was greater than the ratings for the opening games in the Stanley Cup playoffs. If that's true-- and personally I trust the source-- then the NHL is in big trouble. Everyone talks about baseball needing to contract and not expand, well that's exactly what the NHL needs to do as well. And, unlike baseball, several NHL teams have folded or relocated (a temporary solution at best) in the past few years. I can tell you from personal experience that the Florida Panthers for one should be folded or moved to Canada where the people actually appreciate hockey (the South Florida market is as front-running and fair-weather as it gets and the only teams which get consistent fan support are the football teams since they are competitive year in and year out). Just thought I'd throw that out there since you seem to be such a big hockey fan. I'm just glad that the only sport I care about-- the NFL-- is in great shape. Other than pro football, I find myself less and less interested in all sports with each passing year.

06-10-2003, 08:31 AM	#3
PopeInTheWoods Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Rochester NY USA Posts: 4,318	Giguere was certainly worthy of the award, but my vote would have gone to Jeff Friesen. He scored huge goals throughout the playoffs, and his line with Lagenbrunner and Rupp dominated the Ducks in the last few games. Friesen was a notable difference-maker throughout the playoffs, which is much more difficult for a forward than a goalie. Brodeur would have been a strong candidate with all those shutouts, but his sub-par play in Game 3 turned the series around and gave the Ducks a chance. As far as the Devils fans booing Giguere, as a former resident of East Rutherford all I can say is, "No surprise there." Oh, well. Time to put away my Blue Jackets jersey and Sabres sweatshirt until September.... Andy

06-10-2003, 08:32 AM	#4
Radcliffe Emerson Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: the dark side of Mars Posts: 1,309	I'd hate to see the Panthers go, that's my favorite NHL team. I have all 3 of their jerseys. I watched all 7 games, at least until NJ scored their first goal last night. At that point I could feel it was over and did not want to watch them celebrate winning the Cup. But yeah, the NHL is in trouble outside NHL cities (and inside some of them). I think Bettman has erred by trying to make the NHL another version of the NBA, and it's angered traditional hockey fans, and at the same time, not brought in very many fair weather fans. I've been a hockey fan for 30 years, and I want to see the old-style hockey return. I look forward to the World Hockey Association returning. They're going to have salary caps, and they're going back to old-style play. At the point that returns, I won't really care if the NHL locksout or whatever. As for baseball, the only thing I see wrong with it is the disparity between markets. Heck, I'm even noticing the umps this year actually calling the strike zone as the book defines it!

06-10-2003, 11:51 AM	#7
Marat Regular Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: 6100 feet, CO, US Posts: 152	Absolutely. Good hockey is good hockey, and a good play/player is a good play/player, regardless of who made the play or the team he plays for. Give the credit where it's due. Booing is just incorrect. It's rude. It's poor sportsmanship. It's unnecessary. And it reflects badly on everyone. A few years ago, Flynn and I went to St. Louis with Flynn to see the Calgary Flames play the Blues. Flynn wore his Theo Fleury jersey, and every time the Flames scored, we cheered. (It was lonely, too, as there were maybe a handful of people in the whole arena who were Flames fans.) The Blues fans around us were incredibly nice and didn't give us a hard time at all. They showed a great deal of good sportsmanship and camaraderie. Of course, the Blues also won . . . .

06-10-2003, 02:43 PM	#9
Radcliffe Emerson Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: the dark side of Mars Posts: 1,309	I don't think it's wrong to boo the other team, that is just showing support for my team. As a Cubs fan, I'll boo the Cardinals and Mets the rest of my life, and I'll boo the Yankees when they win, and cheer when they lose. It's not a personal thing against their players, it's just my reaction because I love the Cubs and despise those other teams. The only time I don't do that is at World Series time, because I hate the American League in general for having the designated hitter, so I root for the NL team in the Series. As a Florida Panthers fan, I was glad New Jersey knocked out Tampa. But at the same time I'm sick of Jersey I did not want them to advance any further. I turned the game off when the Devils scored their first goal last night and never went back to it, because I cannot stand to see them win. That's just my reaction. Oh yeah, and if I could relocate it would be California or Florida in a heartbeat, never New Jersey, so I love that Ducks comment too.

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