Waning Moon Conrad

I'd probably start with a big bang.

If I felt that I absolutely had to say something, I might say "let there be light" or "whoof" depending on my disposition.

Eric H

Hello All,

Sorry if my question wasn’t very clear, I can’t imagine that anyone would think of themselves as being omni- anything; and so as humans how would we like to see a universe created in a way it is a sort of fantasy question; although I would like to search for a serious greatest purpose.

When we look around in our world we are aware of all the conflict and suffering that is happening around us; and so we say that there cannot be a loving God that creates us.

My question was more to try and find out if there is a purpose to create life that would not lead us down the path of wanting to kill each other and leave half the world to starve.

We have a general knowledge about the history of the universe and we have general knowledge about the history of life, this gives us the power of hindsight. This might give us the ability to search for a greatest purpose from a human perspective.

Would the greatest form of creation be to create life that did not have to suffer and die?

In peace

Eric

Eric H

Hello JayJay, thanks for your response

Eric
What would be the greatest way to create a new universe and life?

Jayjay
Define "greatest".

There are no conditions for “greatest” it is up to anyone to say what they feel is a greatest way to create life, I wasn’t thinking about the technical side of how matter can be made into planets and how the biological bits come together to form life.

Also I believe it would be wrong to create life, and then expect that entity to be grateful and expect it then to worship their creator in some way.

Can there be a greatest purpose to create life?

I do believe so, yes. When creating something, I would probably want to end up with something that is complex and interesting, rather than simple and dull. Life is a pretty interesting, I figure, but again I could of course be wrong. Perhaps if I was sufficiently intelligent I would be much more fascinated with the mechanics of black holes or something similar


Would there be a greatest purpose that you would want the life you create to achieve?

Probably not. If there was a greater purpose to achieve, I could just create that and skip life altogether.

I may seem to play devils advocate, but it is only to try and push the boundaries in an open way.

To create black holes, in human terms might be regarded as an engineering project, could the greatest good thing in the universe just be complex engineering project?

If life is created will it cause problems?



Hello Happy boy,

i'd create a universe that had no knowledge of me,and then leave, never to return. no need to burden the sentient beings of my universe with crap like religion.....

I can imagine why you might say these things, because I also believe that religion has many shortcomings, but if you had the power to create life in this way, what would be the consequences?

Would this be like fathering a child and then doing a disappearing act?

I know it is very easy to say what is wrong with the world, but how could a world and life be created in a greatest way?
What conditions for creation would make an ideal world?

In peace

Eric



Hello Keith,

I'd be interested in having you explain the complete chain of thought that led you from 'the same 'God' created all of us'

to

'all the religions of the world have a moral obligation...'

There is one God the creator of all that is seen and unseen. When I walk down town I see a part of God’s creation, I see people who could be Muslim, atheist, Hindu, or Christian all created by the same God.

As I understand it, probably all religions teach that their God or Gods created everything, probably all or most religions teach a moral good, even if it is not practiced.

If religions teach a moral good that means we have a moral obligation to relate to all people that our God created. To my way of thinking this should include all people regardless of whether they worship our God or not.

I know my thoughts are very idealist but that is the way I see creation.

In peace

Eric


Hi Wiploc,

Would you have to create some form of freedom or freewill to allow people to have all these pleasures, and would there be any form of conditons or restrictions that could be applied to freedom.

Like people do not have the freedom to murder.

In peace
Eric

Ronin

Shee-Ah-Kah-Zee! <does the cabbage patch three times>

~ instant perfect universe and life!!

Free will would be perfectly formed and acted upon perfectly so that everything would be perfect ~ no trickbag fruit trees for this omnibenevolent sky genie.

Yes...in one word ~ Perfection.

Since I would be perfect in this scenario, the greatest purpose and achievement of everything created would be perfect.

~ That was so easy...I would be such a cool God.

Wiploc

I was assuming I'd give people free will, sure. I don't know how to make the best of all possible worlds; I was just demonstrating that it would be easy to make one better than the one Christians think Jehovah made.

With the freedom to murder or without it, any world without eternal hellfire will be better than one without it.

Did you see the movie _Dogma?_ To my way of thinking, the guy in the white suit was the hero. A world that comes with eternal torment in hellfire *should* be utterly extinguished.
crc

Answerer

Hi, Eric, is that your name anyway? Welcome to the 'dark side' of humanity, I will try my best to answer some of your questions of how I think.


I'm a practical man so I can't really visualize a near impossible act. But my answer will still be, why create an universe if one has no need for it in the first place.

I don't see how lifeform could be basically 'free' since they are bonded to their biological needs, senses and inherent ignorance immediately after their birth.


If you are talking about cloning or other aspects, my answer is 'no' since the world and surroundings could never be perfect or even good enough to enjoy living in. Furthermore, the idea of 'greatest purpose' is rather objective depending on who you are asking but to me, all purposes are either 'selfish' or 'flawed' at its fundamental level. Therefore, I will rather to believe that life is created without any purposes.



No, since I believe that life is created without any ulitmate purposes, I will not impose any views on him, her or it. But I can try to guide him, her or it along the way towards its (or his or her)own discovery.

slh

Hmmm....

If I have the power to create a universe from which none currently exists, how would I know I had the power to create one?

Did I get that right?

Or, at the very moment that I realized I had the power to create a universe, I'd then have no choice but to create one.

If there were nothing except me, how would I be aware of my power without anything to wield my power to or against?

Maybe I am confused, or the questions is no worded very well.

Keith Russell

Earlier I said, to eric:

I'd be interested in having you explain the complete chain of thought that led you from 'the same 'God' created all of us'

to

'all the religions of the world have a moral obligation...'

To which eric replied:
There is one God the creator of all that is seen and unseen.

Keith: Really!

eric: When I walk down town I see a part of God’s creation, I see people who could be Muslim, atheist, Hindu, or Christian all created by the same God.

Keith: Well, since you believe in 'God', it follows that you believe that 'He' created all this. But, the fact that you believe it, is not proof.

eric: As I understand it, probably all religions teach that their God or Gods created everything, probably all or most religions teach a moral good, even if it is not practiced.

Keith: Don't forget, there are atheistic moral systems, as well.

eric: If religions teach a moral good that means we have a moral obligation to relate to all people that our God created.

Keith: Well, that was easy to say, but all you've done is restate your belief. If all religions taught macrame, would we all have an obligation to have lots of hanging plants in our homes? Why does the fact that all religions teach something, lead to a 'moral obligation'?

eric: To my way of thinking this should include all people regardless of whether they worship our God or not.

Keith: So, because you believe in 'God', you think you have the right to state that I have a 'moral obligation' placed upon me, simply because 'all religions' have one similar teaching?

Again, why?

eric: I know my thoughts are very idealist but that is the way I see creation.

Keith: eric, your thoughts are not 'idealist', they are circular, and somewhat muddled.

Keith.

Eric

beastmaster

Before I even created the universe, I would create my proposed inhabitants and endow them with free will. Then I would ask each of them what kind of universe each would like to inhabit. And then I would make the universe(s) to custom order.

If love is founded on respect, anything short of letting my created being choose his/her universe would be hateful.