Amos

Thanks for the response Abe but I was telling the reader that people who fail to recognize their own soul do not know who they are. You just happen to come along at the right time to prove my point and Aeric Von nicely confirmed it.

In the bible this is called "know the depth and the width and the breadth of the Lord your God." See what I mean? In our soul we are God.

A3

Hi Dan,

When I stumbled on your topic I fired off a file at you right-away but now I have the time for an answer.
My personal idea on the sugject is that we live on two plaines at the same time. The natural and the spiritual. This concept I picture as a simple egg. The top quarter of this ‘egg’ is our unconsious. The yoke would be our mind and also sticks partway into the top or unconsious section. The very top and thus unconsious part of the egg-white would be our soul and I see that as the permanent ‘docking station’ of the whole egg. This is where the love and wisdom, and thus life, flow in from God. This would be where "God is with us."
The yoke, much like an egg, has also two parts, an inner and an outer section. These two sections of the yoke (our mind) are will and understanding. From the soul, our ‘docking station,’ the will receives love, and the understanding receives wisdom. In the masculine mind these two are arranged so that the inner section is his will and the outer is his understanding. In the feminine mind these are reversed. The core of her mind is understanding and the outer is her will. This determines the priority of each to life’s situations. This is the underlying cause of the saying: “man are from Mars and women are from Venus.”
The three-quarter bottom section of the egg-white I would consider the body. From the soul there are connections or strands (DNA?) running down to govern the body, how it is first built and later maintained and even repaired. The body is full of activities that we are totally unconsious of which I see as executed by the soul. When we cut ourselves, or worse, it would be the soul that arranges the defenses and makes repaires. We have nothing to do with it, but can help by living healthy and giving it better materials to work with.
It does seem to say that we can lose our soul, but I think we have no cotrol over our soul or ‘docking station.’ It would be because of our soul that we have immortality, but I think we can only ‘lose’ our soul if we do lose our mind by not using it for its intended purpose. People in hell still have a soul but the love and wisdom flowing in are perverted in the mind into their opposites, hate and falsities.
I’m sure this description has its faults but it seems close to what I think and I hope it helps somewhat.

Kind Regards
Adriaan

DMB

Uni-Universe: How do you know that this "pure-energy" soul exists? And if all humans have this characteristic, do animals as well? Chimps? slugs?

A3

Personally I think that everything "living" has a soul but in different ways.
Animals and plants have it "pure." They are in the order of their life. Each does its own thing and cannot change. A spider will "create" a spiderweb, a cat will chase a bird etc. All this would be instinct.
The souls of humans are influenced by hereditary traits like looks and behavioural tendencies. We start with a clean slate and are free to brake the mold and screw-up our "instinct" and so fight the order we are (should be?) in.

Regards
Adriaan

Oxymoron

and the evidence for this is...?

What is the test by which you can determine whether things have or do not have a soul?

eh

I think you're confusing the scientific meaning of energy (ability to do work) with new age mythology. Energy is not some magical substance, and nor does it get destroyed when we die. We die, but is most cases the energy from our bodies end up inside of bugs. You'll have to define this 'soul energy', since it clearly has nothing to do with the scientific meaning of the word.

Well not quite. But let's assume everything is made from strings, including humans. When we die, the strings survive, but no longer form the pattern of matter that was us. It gets transfered elsewhere. Such energy in parts is useless, unless we don't mind spending eternity unconcious.


How does the energy of the mind stay together after death? If it's carried off as strings, it's essentially gone.

A3

Hi Oxymoron,

I would say living or not living. Whatever is living has no life of itself but is receiving life
(through this docking station?)

Regards
Adriaan

Evil Milkman

Yeah, I agree with Abe. Since the "soul" can't be physically proven, it may be interesting to discuss, but to try to prove it real is sort of a non-issue. I still enjoy reading discussions about it, I'm a fan of fiction.

gymmarty

Just thought I'd something to your statement evil milkman.
I think even bothering to postulate on the supposed properties of a non verifiable objects (in this case, the soul) is a bit of a waste of time.
Suppose I state that it is not the combustion of petrol and oxygen that move the pistons in my car, but in fact, invisible and ephemeral goblins do it instead.
So, I've just made a statement about something we can't see, touch or otherwise test in any other manner.
Therefore, making any comments about my supposed goblins is totally and utterly meaningless.
In fact, such comments can become downright nonsensical. Such as uni-universe's comments that souls are made out of energy that is beyond space and time. Given that energy is an emergent property of the rules of space and time, it can hardly be 'beyond' it.
I'd really like to see people take more care in the foundational premises of their statements. Especially if they are a priori arguments!

Scottyman

If someone has more soul than me (I can't dance), can I file a petition with GOD to have it more evenly distributed? Do I have to go to Heaven Court? I hope they don't show it on channel 2!