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Kat_Somm_Faen · 07-29-2003, 06:11 PM

So you fall onto a crutch called... closing your eyes?

Nice argument. I did expect better though.

IPU is revealed only to those that open their eyes to her...

Really non-creative.

River · 07-29-2003, 06:13 PM

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Originally posted by Kat_Somm_Faen
So you fall onto a crutch called... closing your eyes?

Nice argument. I did expect better though.

IPU is revealed only to those that open their eyes to her...

Really non-creative.

Thanks ...I will just have to take that as a compliment.

-River

simian · 07-29-2003, 06:21 PM

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Originally posted by River
True....but the Qur'an states plants as existing in pairs...thus the fact that the plants are hermaphrodites and have both pairs (male and female) actually confirms the Qur'anic concept. Islam as a whole recognizes Hermaphroditism and does not consider it a source of shame but instead a part of nature.

Sorry, my translation wording " gender" was misleading. gender is a social construct..not biological.

And plants, such as potatoes, that reproduce by cloning, doe they also have both male and female parts (I have the funny feeling that the answer given will be a devinely inspired "yes"). What about the entire genus of lizards that consists only of females (again reproducing by cloning)?

Simian

Kat_Somm_Faen · 07-29-2003, 06:22 PM

Well beyond not being able to answer a question you sure have a propensity to post non-meaningful comments. Why did you even bother posting your "science" that no1 can question or examine? Why bother posting "statistics' that are meaningful to only yourself and people like you? And then after all you can only say "incomprehensible"

"Qur'anic statistics provide some proof for some.....for others it doesnt prove anything....."

"Duude!"

"Most would argue that the word Day as it appears in say " Judgement Day" or " Day and Night" would have different Quantitative and Qualitative significance."

Most of what you say is incomprehensible.

Some "proof" indeed...

Yet the Quran promisies us that it is clear and easy to understand:

Quran 026:1-2:
Ta. Sin. Mim. These are verses of the Book that makes (things) clear.

Quran 026:192-195:
Verily this is a Revelation from the Lord of the Worlds:
With it came down the spirit of Faith and Truth-
To thy heart and mind, that thou mayest admonish.
In the perspicuous/plain Arabic tongue.

Quran 005:015:
... indeed, there has come to you light and a clear Book from Allah

Quran 044:058:
And We have made (this Scripture) easy in thy language ...

Quran 002:001:
This Book, there is no doubt in it ...

Quran 006:114:
... when He it is Who hath sent unto you the Book, explained in detail ...

Quran 054:022:
But We have indeed made the Qur'an easy to understand ...

....

If word of God promises easy understanding - how can it be proof for some and not others?

River · 07-29-2003, 06:24 PM

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Originally posted by simian
And plants, such as potatoes, that reproduce by cloning, doe they also have both male and female parts (I have the funny feeling that the answer given will be a devinely inspired "yes"). What about the entire genus of lizards that consists only of females (again reproducing by cloning)?

Simian

The Category you are referring to " And all things in-between" is also spoken about in the Qur'an.

Its one thing to be a Skeptic...its another thing to try to find exceptions to everything (nitpicking).......ya...I suppose there are logical arguments that one can utilise to disprove their very existence....

River · 07-29-2003, 06:31 PM

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Originally posted by Kat_Somm_Faen

If word of God promises easy understanding - how can it be proof for some and not others? [/B]

In Theory, the Qur'an is an Easy and Clear book of Guidance...but we live in an age where "good" is deemed " bad" ...right is deemed wrong and vice versa....and very few have the mental acuity to question the limitations of their own logic. This era we live in is similar to the Era immediately before the Advent of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).

Kat_Somm_Faen · 07-29-2003, 06:36 PM

Ohh I see now.. it is our fault for not accepting it as "good"! Maybe we should all be punished?

Anyway read up on code 19 here - http://www.nmsr.org/code19.htm

Amazing how this code 19 appears to prove the perfection of the Declaration of Independence... It must be truly perfect and word of God!

River · 07-29-2003, 06:48 PM

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Originally posted by Kat_Somm_Faen
Ohh I see now.. it is our fault for not accepting it as "good"! Maybe we should all be punished?

Anyway read up on code 19 here - http://www.nmsr.org/code19.htm

Amazing how this code 19 appears to prove the perfection of the Declaration of Independence... It must be truly perfect and word of God!

Well , code 19 is actually of a much larger scope than presented in that website. And if all Code 19 arguments are taken together ..it reveals something greater than chance.

This website is misleading because it compares it to Bible Code, which uses "by the book" -style numerology , while most Code 19 materials dont.

The problem is there exists decent Code 19 websites.....but they tend to get carried away at some point ( like reading the numbers horizontally or vertically in typical Numerology style)

River · 07-29-2003, 06:50 PM

Besides not all Code 19 arguments are complete. Heretical cults like Submitters have their own version of Code 19...

Kat_Somm_Faen · 07-29-2003, 06:57 PM

So apparently only special religions have the right to use Code 19?Besides not all Code 19 arguments are complete. Heretical cults like Submitters have their own version of Code 19...

So when it suits us its OK but not them? And what makes your claim that other uses of Code 19 are incomplete?

Anyway, I will leave every1 with a link on Code 19 discussions from a different web board. Be warned - funny, blasphemous content ahead! I was literally laughing my ass off when reading comments posted by a guy called "CroMagnon" -

http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/vi...873&highlight=

This guy is really funny.. some of you may laugh and cry so hard your belly will hurt

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07-29-2003, 06:11 PM	#61
Kat_Somm_Faen Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Boulder, Colorado Posts: 3,316	So you fall onto a crutch called... closing your eyes? Nice argument. I did expect better though. IPU is revealed only to those that open their eyes to her... Really non-creative.

07-29-2003, 06:22 PM	#64
Kat_Somm_Faen Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Boulder, Colorado Posts: 3,316	Well beyond not being able to answer a question you sure have a propensity to post non-meaningful comments. Why did you even bother posting your "science" that no1 can question or examine? Why bother posting "statistics' that are meaningful to only yourself and people like you? And then after all you can only say "incomprehensible" "Qur'anic statistics provide some proof for some.....for others it doesnt prove anything....." "Duude!" "Most would argue that the word Day as it appears in say " Judgement Day" or " Day and Night" would have different Quantitative and Qualitative significance." Most of what you say is incomprehensible. Some "proof" indeed... Yet the Quran promisies us that it is clear and easy to understand: Quran 026:1-2: Ta. Sin. Mim. These are verses of the Book that makes (things) clear. Quran 026:192-195: Verily this is a Revelation from the Lord of the Worlds: With it came down the spirit of Faith and Truth- To thy heart and mind, that thou mayest admonish. In the perspicuous/plain Arabic tongue. Quran 005:015: ... indeed, there has come to you light and a clear Book from Allah Quran 044:058: And We have made (this Scripture) easy in thy language ... Quran 002:001: This Book, there is no doubt in it ... Quran 006:114: ... when He it is Who hath sent unto you the Book, explained in detail ... Quran 054:022: But We have indeed made the Qur'an easy to understand ... .... If word of God promises easy understanding - how can it be proof for some and not others?

07-29-2003, 06:36 PM	#67
Kat_Somm_Faen Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Boulder, Colorado Posts: 3,316	Ohh I see now.. it is our fault for not accepting it as "good"! Maybe we should all be punished? Anyway read up on code 19 here - http://www.nmsr.org/code19.htm Amazing how this code 19 appears to prove the perfection of the Declaration of Independence... It must be truly perfect and word of God!

07-29-2003, 06:50 PM	#69
River Banned Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: NY Posts: 3,680	Besides not all Code 19 arguments are complete. Heretical cults like Submitters have their own version of Code 19...

07-29-2003, 06:57 PM	#70
Kat_Somm_Faen Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Boulder, Colorado Posts: 3,316	So apparently only special religions have the right to use Code 19?Besides not all Code 19 arguments are complete. Heretical cults like Submitters have their own version of Code 19... So when it suits us its OK but not them? And what makes your claim that other uses of Code 19 are incomplete? Anyway, I will leave every1 with a link on Code 19 discussions from a different web board. Be warned - funny, blasphemous content ahead! I was literally laughing my ass off when reading comments posted by a guy called "CroMagnon" - http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/vi...873&highlight= This guy is really funny.. some of you may laugh and cry so hard your belly will hurt

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