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Old 06-04-2003, 09:18 AM   #11
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Hmm... a welsh corgi. Perhaps Pennings has stumbled upon another data dog?
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I know what you mean. When I gave the article to my dog to read, he looked at me as if to say "Holy shit, that dog can do CALCULUS? Thank you so much for interrupting my efforts to crack this 3rd-degree nonhomogenous ordinary differential equation for THAT update. Asshole.", which he followed with a rather disrepectful punctuation of sentiment involving a lifted hind leg...


Or maybe I read too much into my dog's psyche.
What you are doing is no more than what people do with other people. People typically read into what is going on in other people's minds, as if there were something significant going on there. It is just as likely that your dog was thinking just what you said, as it is that many people ever have a rational thought.

Has your dog ever been stupid enough to go to a church and sit through a boring and tedious lecture of convoluted nonsense? If not, your dog is obviously more intelligent than many thousands, if not millions, of people. So stop bothering your dog when he is trying to do difficult calculations!
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Old 06-04-2003, 06:56 PM   #13
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My dog is more verbal, and not into the whole quantitative thing. Thus he avoids calculus when possible. But he's written some pretty funny haikus and has a screenplay that he's *this close* to selling..........
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Well my dog is Jebus.
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My hamster's a differential topologist.
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The smartest thing I've ever seen a dog do was figure out that if her lead was wrapped around a tree, she could free herself by walking backwards.

For a dog, that's advanced cognition. Our previous dog never figured that out in 12 years of wrapping herself around trees.
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The smartest thing I've ever seen a dog do was figure out that if her lead was wrapped around a tree, she could free herself by walking backwards.

For a dog, that's advanced cognition. Our previous dog never figured that out in 12 years of wrapping herself around trees.
Maybe your dog just liked playing mind games with you. Besides, since you obviously regard dogs as stupid, perhaps they resent this and don't wish to share their opinions on advanced mathematical problems with you.

Now I ask you, as I asked Baloo before: Has your dog ever been stupid enough to go to a church and sit through a boring and tedious lecture of convoluted nonsense? If not, your dog is obviously more intelligent than many thousands, if not millions, of people.
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WRONG! Of course I would say Nature selects for organisms that find as close to optimal solutions as possible, otherwise they are outcompeted.

Duh.
Your post reminded me of an article I read a couple years ago (probably '98 or '97). It was about scientists using DNA to analyze complex data sets (not sure of the proper term). Essentially, problems like "you need to provide pizza that's acceptable for everyone at a party. There are 25 possible toppings, and each of the 30 people has different likes and dislikes.". The way they would do this is use a strand that represents each possible combination, and use a "filter" which eliminates incompatible strands. You end up with (gasp) only the strand(s) which meets all criteria. Sounds like optimization to me.

Dumbass creationists. How can they say such idiotic things?
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Dumbass creationists. How can they say such idiotic things?
Because as far as they're concerned, your example "proves" that their Intellegent Designer must have explicitly made DNA to act as a computer -- "You don't find a Mac lying on the beach and assume it came together from seaweed, do you?"
Of course, they gloss over the fact that, by trying to twist it into yet another Watchmaker argument, they've implicitly accepted the process of natural selection.
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“The smartest thing I've ever seen a dog do was figure out that if her lead was wrapped around a tree, she could free herself by walking backwards.



Onetime I was playing ball with my dog and the ball bounced into a drain gutter, rather than try to pluck the rolling ball from the gutter he went to the end of the gutter and waited for the ball to roll into his mouth.
He has also trained me to give him a treat whenever he comes back into the house after doing his “yard work” sometimes the big weasel will barely get his furry butt out the door before turning right around and coming back inside to get his ‘reward’.
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