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Old 12-25-2002, 02:55 PM   #81
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Vork, I do intend to reply to your points eventually. However I'm going away on holiday shortly and I'll see what I can do to get my hands on a copy of Eisenman too...


In the mean time, back to the regularly scheduled bickering...
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And (since you missed it) there is also the challenge to you to provide examples of SD being obfuscatory. Since you failed to do so, I'll take that as an inability to support your claim against him.
You're welcome to take it as whatever you like.

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Tercel, I've watched your posts "develop" over time.
That's cool. When I first started reading stuff and posting here two years ago my main reason for posting was to learn. Hopefully development in the quality of my posting over that time reflects an increasing understanding on my part.

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In point of fact, the only reason that you respect Kirby is that your electronic mentor, Layman, respects him.
Of course - I am capable of no thoughts myself on any matters.

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But it is imitation of your role model that we see at work here; not your comprehension of Kirby's arguments.
Exactly.

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The only "others" who made such complaints were yourself, Nomad and Layman.
Really... were you privy to every single comment that was ever made anywhere? Are you omniscient perhaps?

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SD has respect from both sides of the discussion as being an honest, well-balanced individual.

I'm intrigued to know what theists you would claim support your point here.
You've already agreed that Nomad, Layman and myself don't. Who then?
Metacrock? Bede? Ish? Kenny? Photocrat?
No...?
Amos perhaps?

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You were frustrated by your inability to provide evidence that matched the level of your claims, and by the weakness of several of Layman (and Meier's) arguments for authenticity; i.e., the argument from embarrassment. I was there; Tercel, I watched it transpire.
You were where? Watching one particular thread? "Authenticity" of what?
I'm not talking about any one thread but making generalisations from 18 months of threads. -Most of them in the EoG forum too, not BC&A.

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Many people understood what SD was saying. The fact that you were unable to follow the discussion is (as I indicated earlier) your personal shortcoming; it was not a flaw in SD's arguments.
Of course, it's just me and my incompetence at English, my lack of understanding of basic philosophical terms, my incompetence at statistics, my incompetence at spotting fallacies or forming basic arguments and my general lack of knowledge about anything. Good that we've clarified that.
Funny though how I normally have no trouble in these areas.


<strong>Layman,</strong>
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Thanks for the nice comments Tercel,
You're welcome, Mr Electronic Mentor guy.

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but I fear you may be wasting your time.
Of course, but isn't most of what we do a waste of time if we get right down to it? The fact that this is more obviously so simply helps appreciate that fact more clearly...


<strong>Toto</strong>,
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And you pat Tercel on the head for attempting to have a serious discussion,
You'd prefer he told me off for attempting to have a serious discussion, would you?

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when Tercel admits to not having read a book he is happy to attack
And you've never done that? ...Never? ...Ever?
Of course someone as great as you would never stoop to committing the horrendous crime of <a href="http://iidb.org/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=6&t=000913&p=" target="_blank">attacking a book you'd never read</a>!
That thread's from over a year ago and I only managed to remember it because I was heavily involved in it. How many other times have you attacked books you've never read that I don't remember or never saw?

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never having even considered the conflicts between Paul and Acts
Hold your horses. I said I hadn't studied them at all - by which I meant I hadn't read any books which delved significantly into the details of the conflicts. "never... even considered" them is taking it just a bit far: I have read summary passages on the subject, and I do occasionally read threads in this forum you know.
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