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Francois Tremblay · 03-09-2002, 08:37 AM

Oh ok. So the only evidence for dualism is a poem. I guess that settles it then.

03-09-2002, 08:57 AM

Amos,

It has been indicated that the ramification of several individuals' theory of the soul goes beyond the fact consciousness. In none of these cases, as your poem reiterates, are the consequences of the theory detectable to anything but the imagination. This presents us with methodological problems so severe (namely the degree to which the theories we wish to confirm and expectations about them shape our intuitions) that the hypothesis should be rejected until a better basis for it can be found.

owleye · 03-09-2002, 09:23 AM

Frank...

I can only regard your responses as unhelpful to a dialog. If I'm required to make you happy, I'm sure I won't succeed. Sorry to have bothered you. It will be the last time.

Fell

03-09-2002, 09:27 AM

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Originally posted by Synaesthesia:
Amos,

It has been indicated that the ramification of several individuals' theory of the soul goes beyond the fact consciousness. In none of these cases, as your poem reiterates, are the consequences of the theory detectable to anything but the imagination. This presents us with methodological problems so severe (namely the degree to which the theories we wish to confirm and expectations about them shape our intuitions) that the hypothesis should be rejected until a better basis for it can be found.

No problem, but in this case we each must find the answer in the consolidation of our own mind-soul duality. Until then the question will remain (or it would not be "our quest") and the solution will always be expressed with poetic language or poetry would not be poetic and paradox would remain in heaven (or not exist on earth).

03-09-2002, 09:33 AM

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Originally posted by Franc28:
Oh ok. So the only evidence for dualism is a poem. I guess that settles it then.

Poetry exist only while we are oblivious to reality and therefore proves dualism on its own.

John Page · 03-09-2002, 02:53 PM

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Originally posted by Amos:


Poetry exist only while we are oblivious to reality and therefore proves dualism on its own.

Poetry exists at all times, check the book of Keats on your shelf. Its just that you are not experiencing it.

03-09-2002, 06:51 PM

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Originally posted by John Page:


Poetry exists at all times, check the book of Keats on your shelf. Its just that you are not experiencing it.

Well John, if I put that on a slippery slope we'll soon have gnostic and agnostic mean the same thing.

If lyrics of poetry must be experienced the lyrical realm must be real and if that is real ours must not be real in the same way. Thereore dualism is true.

Christopher Lord · 03-09-2002, 06:54 PM

So if its true, what is it? Thats the question of the thread.

I agree the mind exists. I just doubt it comes from the ether is all.

Francois Tremblay · 03-09-2002, 07:20 PM

This is ridiculous. It seems the only way dualism can be contrived into being true is by chopping dualism until it means nothing. To think I hoped for a first glimpse of realization and sensible dialogue... I must have been delusional ! (or maybe it's because of dualism !)

03-09-2002, 08:19 PM

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Originally posted by Christopher Lord:
So if its true, what is it? Thats the question of the thread.

I agree the mind exists. I just doubt it comes from the ether is all.

Good point and that is why the argument still is around.

A better question would be, "if the souls is real who am I?" My answer to this would be, "you are only what you think you are."

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03-09-2002, 08:37 AM	#71
Francois Tremblay Banned Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Montreal, QC Canada Posts: 876	Oh ok. So the only evidence for dualism is a poem. I guess that settles it then.

03-09-2002, 08:57 AM	#72
Synaesthesia Guest Posts: n/a	Amos, It has been indicated that the ramification of several individuals' theory of the soul goes beyond the fact consciousness. In none of these cases, as your poem reiterates, are the consequences of the theory detectable to anything but the imagination. This presents us with methodological problems so severe (namely the degree to which the theories we wish to confirm and expectations about them shape our intuitions) that the hypothesis should be rejected until a better basis for it can be found.

03-09-2002, 09:23 AM	#73
owleye Regular Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Home Posts: 229	Frank... I can only regard your responses as unhelpful to a dialog. If I'm required to make you happy, I'm sure I won't succeed. Sorry to have bothered you. It will be the last time. Fell

03-09-2002, 06:54 PM	#78
Christopher Lord Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Toronto Posts: 808	So if its true, what is it? Thats the question of the thread. I agree the mind exists. I just doubt it comes from the ether is all.

03-09-2002, 07:20 PM	#79
Francois Tremblay Banned Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Montreal, QC Canada Posts: 876	This is ridiculous. It seems the only way dualism can be contrived into being true is by chopping dualism until it means nothing. To think I hoped for a first glimpse of realization and sensible dialogue... I must have been delusional ! (or maybe it's because of dualism !)

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