capnkirk

Here we meet again.

Are you arguing that the Genesis creation story is compatible with (mass) extinctions prior to Adam? If so, then I ask if it extends to compatibility with an extinction model where 99% of all the species that have ever existed (or if you prefer, that god created) are now extinct?

OBTW: Did you actually READ this thread? The discussion revolves around the veracity of the claims made by the article(s). If so, then you would also have seen that both the credibility of their find and the credibility of their interpretation of it are being explored. Your post contributes nothing to either of these dialogs.

Instead, you are attempting to switch the subject to: "is the Genesis creation myth compatible with animal extinctions long before Adam?" While this would certainly be an interesting discussion, it really deserves its own thread. I would prefer to engage you there where the title would attract a lot of traffic, rather than burying it here on this thread. I invite you to start such a thread.

beyelzu

capn kirk,

incredibly off topic question, how do you make that star wars smiley, and othe weird smileys?

Jimmy Higgins

That's funny. The bible never mentions man existing without animals. Or visa versa. Day 6, animals and man were created. Genesis 1:24-27. In the second story of creation, animals were made to be the partner of Adam. However, Adam found it difficult to mount a triceratops. And worse yet, he found it incredibly unbearable when the triceratops tried to mount him.
That's why god made woman. So seeing man and animals go hand in hand, I can't see how dinosaurs could have possibly have become extinct, before Adam and Eve, especially because in Day Six, god saw good in all he created, Genesis 1:31. How could god see good in the dinosaurs' extinction? That would have been a failure. And God gave man dominance over all animals, not just the ones that survived the day they were created.

This has been another biblical moment from another atheist who knows the bible better than a christian.

Amergin

The fact is that certain animals are found only in certain isolated location. For example, Kangaroos have never been found outside of Australia and New Guinea. Certain species of fresh water fish have been found nowhere outside of the Amazon Basin. Lemurs are only on the Island of Madascar in the last 20 million years. Emus, Koalas, Marsupial wolves, wombats, and marsupial lions are found only in Australia. Many other animals while on the Eurasian mainland are found only at great distances from Palestine, Mt. Ararat, and Mesopotamia. These include: polar bears, tapirs, aardvarks, Meercats, Irish Elk, Reindeer/Caribou, Moose, the Ice loving Macaques of Northern Japan. There are a few thousand other animals found far from Mesopotamia.

These represent animals never found in Mesopotamia/Ararat. How did Noah and his sons gather all of these animals from the far reaches of the left and right hemispheres and polar areas? How did they fit in the approximately 3.8 million species into the Ark if it was the wee little boat described in Genesis? How could they store enough food for the entire long journey aboard the tiny boat? When it landed on Mt. Ararat how did they return all of these animals back to their places of origin?

How did they transport some 3000 species of delicate fresh water tropical fish back to the Amazon Basin across thousands of miles of salt sea? How did they transport the Koalas, Wallabies, Kangaroos, Wombats, Marsupial wolves, Emus, and Marsupial lions back to the island continent of Australia? How did they get South American Tapirs back to South America along with Jaguars, sloths, prehensile tailed New World Monkeys, Armadillos, Alpacas, Llamas, as well as a million species of South American insects? (A fourth of all species live in the Amazon Basin.) How did they get the 9 types of Lemur back to Madagascar?

The amount of water needed to flood the Earths highest mountains would have to be enough to cover Mt. Everest at 29,000 plus feet or over 5 miles higher than present sea level. Can we even begin to imagine the immense quantity of water that would require? If Earth had been covered over 5 miles deep it would require 980 million cubic miles of water or 2.55 billion cubic kilometres of water. That water would have to be obtained and then carted away somehow. There are no empty spaces within the Earth for all of that water.

So, you see, it is a scientific, or really a physical impossibility that Noah’s Legend could be true. The size of the boat is far too small for the number of animals and their food supply. The gathering of the animals from all over the world and delivering them back to their places of origin would have taken many years and hundreds of ocean going vessels to accomplish that task. The obtaining and disposing of many hundred thousand or millions of cubic miles of water is impossible without divine magic, which I don’t accept.

If you postulate miracle, i.e. magic, you must show me proof that magic exists. You must prove that magic ever occurred in any time or place. Other than magic, the Noah’s Fable was not physically possible.

It is ludricous to speak of the dinosaurs in the context of the Noah's Flood. There are no fossils of dinosaurs above the K-T sedimentary boundary. It took another 65 million years for talking bipedal primates to enter the scene. A couple of them ate the wrong mushrooms at the oasis in the east of Palestine, and the basis of the Old Testament was produced.

Amergin

Family Man

Go to this site and link to the smilie you like.

Defiant Heretic

Because we all know that flash flooding wouldn't pull the bones apart and scatter them for miles around or anything like that.

ecco

RE:
i think the saddest thing is that this guy is serious.

Very serious. $400 x 150 people = $60,000. Not bad for a two day outing! The only things included are canoe rentals two lunches and a dinner - worth about $100.

The article led into the expedition talking about the dinosaur "supposedly" found on an earlier expedition elsewhere. The implication being that dinosaurs may also be found at Peace River.


From: http://www.showtimeinteractive.com/t...nting-Events-0!ArticleDetail-9831,00.html

Two things you need to remember," says Mark Renz, owner and chief guide of Fossiling Expeditions. "Dinosaurs were never in Florida and there is no such thing as a saber-tooth tiger." Renz explains that during the time when dinosaurs roamed North America, Florida was under water. Saber-tooth tigers are an invention of The Flintstones - but saber-tooth cats' teeth, as well as the fossilized remains of ancient mammoths, mastodons, camels, sloths, horses, tortoises, jaguars, capybaras, tapirs, giant armadillos, whales, dolphins and sharks are well within our realm of possible finds.