eldar1011

pug846,

Thank you for the detailed response. I understand now.

callmejay

I think the Dems will probably run from the issue like Clinton copped out (among other ways) with his don't-ask-don't-tell bullshit equivication.

Apocolips

Hola!

Let's look at biology. The male and the female are designed tio have sexual intercourse with each other for the sake of procreation. Two males or two females cannot procreate, thus there is no sexual bond or activity, thus unnatural acts. before, I proceed, animals, especially monkeys have "homosexual contact" with each other. If a liberal homosexual proclaims this, I hope that they know that man is above animals. MAN IS NOT AN ANIMAL. Man is different from an animal because we can think, reason and evolve. A dog cannot, a monkey cannot, a dolphin cannot.

Now to humanity. Unlike animals, we have feelings and emotions. This makes the sexual act more complicated. Of course, not everyone who has sex with each other loves each other. This sex is casual, or a case of prostitution. This is where marriage comes in. Marriage is a bond between two people that love and care for each other, and pledge to only have sex with each other only. Marriage is a bond of love and unifying sexual union. Two gays cannot have this, because there is no sexual union between two people, there is no procreation, or the sembelence thereof. Even if a man and a woman do not want children, 99.9999999% still have sex with each other. Thus marriage=sexual union.

I recently got married to a wonderful woman from a different culture from mine (I live in China, she is Chinese). Sex with her is wonderful because we love and care for each other. We have sexual union. Sex with her is wonderful because we are married. I dont think pre-maritial sex is wrong, but the two parties must know what they are going through. Two men or two women do not have sex, but self bodily gratification, simply because there is no procreation. Also, homosexuality is a choice, so please dont lay that horse shit that you were born this way. I was addicted to crack cocaine for 8 years, was I born to use. No, it was a destructive pleasurable lifestyle that nearly killed me. Homosexuality is a destructive deadly lifestyle. Period.

SENOR

elwoodblues

I'm not entirely sure where to begin, Senor...

Err, man is an animal. We're not insects or virii. We fall in the animal kingdom. We're about a million years separated from the rest of the great apes. All animals, including us, evolve. We're much better at certain kinds of thinking and reasoning, but I wouldn't preclude other animals entirely from that realm.

Gay people can actually have sex. You do know this, right?

And you don't need sex to 'have' children these days. There are plenty of kids put up for adoption every year. Allowing homosexual marriage seems to me a great way to give some of those kids a home, since some percentage of married couples would want a child but not necessarily be able to make one the traditional way.

Marriage==sexual union? Talk to some happy older couples who don't have sex anymore. Most couples have sex about once or twice a week at most; many even less. Funny that such an occasional activity should so utterly define marriage, the joining of two whole people.

Congrats.

The implication being that gay people cannot. Are you saying gays can't really love and care for eachother? Or that they can't have sex? Is sex defined as something that might make a baby? Am I having sex when I'm using a condom? Is my girlfriend having sex when she's on the pill?

Well, I actually agree with that. Nothing wrong with pre-marital sex, but the act of marriage and/or commitment can add a lot.

Ah, gotcha. There is no chance of procreation, so there is no sex. 'Bodily gratification' is sex minus the reasonable chance of a baby. So, when I'm using birth control, it's not really sex. And oral sex is not really sex. So long as we're clear on that.

The nature versus nurture debate has basically been called a draw. It's both. Part of it is almost certainly genetically determined. Part of it is likely determined by environment (lack of a father figure, etc). There's very little evidence that it's any kind of 'choice', by any reasonable definition of the word. Look at the relapse rate from the Christian 'clinics' that 'treat' homosexuals.

Crack doesn't alter your DNA. However, your DNA may make you more susceptible to becoming addicted than another person, just like alcohol. And drugs are a self-feeding addiction; expose someone to crack, and he'll become addicted. The same does not hold with sexuality. Expose a straight guy to gay sex, and I'll almost guarantee he won't become 'addicted' to gay sex.

The analogy is horribly bad. And, if homosexuality IS more destructive or deadly, it's largely because of people like you, who won't allow them to create formal, legal lifebonds, and try to marginalize and en-taboo their entire lifestyle.

Repeat after me.

Sexuality, hetero-, homo-, or somewhere in between, is not a choice. No more than eye color or height is a choice.

There is nothing inherently wrong with homosexuality.

Opening up beneficial social institutions like marriage is the best way to eliminate whatever destructive or deadly elements might now be associated with that lifestyle.

TollHouse

Whoa! Hold on a second there mister! How dare you think of marrying a woman outside of your own culture!? How dare you rob her culture of such a wonderful person!?

Liar. You are a sick perverted pig who has only wants to rape our Chinese women. Stick to your own kind.

Darwin26

...will make a huge issue of the Gay Marriage rights...

i get the Traditional Family Values E-news letter .... o my Cod... they are soooooooo hung up on homosexuality ... IT's a Big crime to them .
Even though the liberals running are trying to walk a fine line...some will get tripped up by it. And Dean's States Rights is just another way to get back to slavery... It's to devisive in issues that affect such a large minority.
I would like to see the Dems get on the GAY Pride party wagon ... and support the right to be married to whomever you want ... The votes i think we might loose are the Black christian vote, maybe or other OrthoDox types.

As for being a lifestyle, a choice, and giving it up as if it were cigaretts or comparing it to an addiction ... i guess there's no reasoning with a fundy like Senor... till possibly his kid decides to turn gay... i suspect even then the ole WWJD ... kill/stone the fornicating animals to death...

TollHouse

I think Senor needed to try his hand at marrying a chinese girl 50+ years ago. Perhaps then he'd understand why people who attempt to control your love life are complete fucknobs.

TollHouse

[insult removed] You sure talk big but I don't see your devastating evidence to the contrary.

Kat_Somm_Faen

Wonder why fundies do not take other Biblical and/or Quranic teachings as helping the poor and turning the other cheek and host of other stuff.

There is a lot of stuff in there about many other things which are not taken up with such zeal... Kinda makes you wonder why!

Could it possible be .... because they are :gasps: hypocrites?

6:19
Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:

6:20
But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:

6:21
For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

6:22
The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.

I guess that is just a suggestion or a metaphor not like God actually wants us to do so!

Apocolips

Hola!

A gay person CANNOT have sex. How do two men have sex? One sticking his penis in the other man's anus? Is this sex? No. Why? Because the anus and the colon were not designed for this. I sticking my penis in my wife's rear end is unnatural too. Now, on the subject of "oral pleasure" (from Pulp Fiction), oral pleasure is not sex. Oral pleasure is simply masterbation between two people. When I was a teenager, I used to "finger" or masterbate girlfriends. What do you call this? Finger sex? Two finger lovemaking? No. Simple masterbation. Ergo, it is IMPOSSIBLE for two women to have sex with each other, it just cannot be done. All they can do is to masterbate each other.

Humanity have similiar characteristics from mammals, we must breathe air, eat, and expel our bodily functions. Scientists and humanists look at humans this way and compare us to chimps, simply because chimps have 10 fingers and 10 toes. The difference between myself and Bonzo, Free Willy and Lassie is that I have a mind, I can express myself, I have ideas, I have the capacity for love, a capacity to bond and make friendships. Also, everything that humans do is a choice, including sexuality. The mind seperates humanity from animals, as much as lungs seperate land animals from fish.

I hear some say, would someone choose to be gay, it is a hard lifestyle! Well, no worse than paying for a cocaine addiction. Addiction is hard also, but I chose to pick up that drug, there was no DNA involved.

Most older people do not have sex anymore because procreation is not there anymore. Sex is a fruitless effort. Also, biologically sexual desire goes down after 60. My wife and I are in our mid thirties, and I enjoy cuddling with her almost as much as sex. The ONLY reason I like sex better is that in intercourse there is a payoff, the orgasm. Of course, orgasm is what makes humans and animals similiar, the dog doesnt know that it is making pups, but it realizes that if it humps a female, a pleasure will occur. The dog knows it, but cannot reason it.

Two men are naked and together, and one man has an orgasm. What comes out? Sperm. Of course sperm has a purpose, to join into union with an ovum or egg. There is no ovum at the end of a man's colon. There is no ovum in the back of Monica Lewinsky's throat either.

Even if you believe that God is pure BS, one has to respect the natural order. Males and females. If homosexuality was natural and normal, there would not be two sexes out there.

A union is between a man and a woman only. If the USA legalizes marriage between two men and two women, what is next, polygamy? Marriage to animals? Marriage to children? What's next?

Lastly, someone in Hollywood pointed out (I think around the Academy Awards) to Steve Martin that he and Ellen Degeneres both dated Anne Heche. I think Steve must have cringed inside. I believe he probably laughed it off and agreed. I would of too, because Hollywood pays soooooo much money. I would of been tempted to say "I and Anne had a relationship and a union, her and Ellen did God only knows what!

SENOR