Bree

I am a homosexual.

I feel that pedophilia is vile.

There, now yguy's theory is bunk: not all homosexuals think pedophilia is fantastic.

yguy

Thank you.

Why the hell do you people keep putting words in my mouth?

yguy

Thank you, my good man. This is the sort of thing I want to hear.

Daleth

dangin, I'm not clear on what you're saying here... probably because it's hard to say because you feel so strongly. Can you clarify? (It's OK if you can't. I know it's a hard topic to address.) Also, from what I've read of the Rind study, all it seems to do is (like I keep saying) suggest that therapists should make less assumptions and should treat the victims of CSA for the symptoms they present with rather than symptoms they are presumed to have. I know people are probably hijacking the study and using it for apologist purposes, but is it apologist in itself?

yguy

Rather than dissect your logic on this one, I'll just say the parallel seems to me conveniently capricious and distinctly lacking in intellectual depth.

Autonemesis

And you owe it to yourself to repudiate this insanity with everything you have:

I realize some of you (yguy) have problems with the subject due to personal experience with it, but those who are able need to make your objections known in no uncertain terms, lest those like myself be given any more reason than we already have to draw any connection between masturbation and bestiality (or pornography and adultery, or prostitution and adult incest).

Yguy, you sound as absurd as Scalia. Masturbation cannot possibly be considered a crime by any person with even the slightest sense of identity and empathy with his fellow humans. You have to be some sort of scary, detached sort of unfeeling robot not to laugh at the lunacy of the merest suggestion that such an idea be taken seriously. Yet Scalia's idiocy (and frankly, his barely disguised tittillation) is indistinguishable from yours.

Will you now clearly agree with or repudiate the notion that the state has the right to make masturbation or adultery a crime? If you can't do that, then I am afraid I have to conclude that you support bestiality and prostitution.

dangin

Yes, you are correct, I am basing this on the apologists, but also the link that Helen provided seems to point to flawed "preconceived ideas or desires" that have influenced the study.

Personally, I don't have all that strong a feelings about it. I was never abused, no one in my family was abused. I just (most of us do) know a lot of women who got twisted up by sexual abuse, and it was always at the hand of a parent, relative, baby sitter, or other trusted adult.

So to say that they think the sex was not bad, or even good for them is one thing. But it completely disregards the idea of "trust" that must exist between children and adults of these relationships.

The vast minority of child abuse is perpetrated by total strangers. The rape of an adult woman is usually by someone she knows. This is even more so with children.

HelenM

It should be easy to get an idea of whether known pedophiles are proportionately more overweight than the adult population in general, just by observation.

Helen

Daleth

LOL, Helen!

yguy

Gee, thanks.

I don't think masturbation should necessarily be considered a crime, but that is hardly central to Scalia's thesis or mine.

Not just no - Hell no.

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