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JohnR · 12-27-2002, 01:26 AM

It is really sad that one so young was in so much pain that he felt death was the only solution. I would not question his decision only try to understand. My condolances to all his friends, he will be missed.

DamagedGoods · 12-28-2002, 08:35 PM

I'm saddened to hear of MadMordigan's passing...although I don't get to keep up with these forums as much as I'd like, his is a name I always associated with good posts. I will miss his presence here.

RaptorRed · 12-30-2002, 01:34 AM

I hadn't checked these forums in a while, and I come back to find this.

Miss Piggy · 12-30-2002, 01:46 PM

Even if I didn't know MM at all, I was shocked when I heard about his death. I've have been lurking here for a while and read some of his posts (only the happy ones, I understand now). I appreciated his sense of humour. Somehow I always considered him a very resilient person, because he could see the comic side of things.

oriecat · 12-30-2002, 08:56 PM

I can't believe I didn't know this until now. I am shocked. I didn't know him, but I will miss him and his posts. He always made me laugh. Unless he completely offended me. I think such was his gift.

(I accidentally typed "suck was his gift" first. I think he would have liked that.

)

Corgan Sow · 01-01-2003, 05:19 AM

It's quite a ****ing shocking news. I didn't know him much, but his humor is first class...

I hope I can share one last poetry here to him...from Mahler's Das Lied Von Der Erde.

I dismounted and handed him the drink
of parting. I asked him where
he would go, and also why it must be.

He spoke, his voice was choked:

My friend,
on this earth, fortune has not been kind to me!
Where do I go? I will go, wander in the mountains.
I seek peace for my lonely heart.
I wander to find my homeland, my home.
I will never stray to foreign lands.
Quiet is my heart, waiting for its hour!

The dear earth everywhere
blooms in spring and grows green
afresh! Everywhere and eternally,
distant places have blue skies!
Eternally... eternally...

You may be gone, but not in the hearts of so many users here. Eternally, you'll be missed.

never been there · 01-01-2003, 08:15 PM

What a terrible shame. I remember him as one who tried to speak for level-headedness on these boards. From this, I take hope that he was making the right decision for himself.

My sincere condolences to MadMordigan's friends, and my sympathy to him for the pain he lived through.

Talon · 01-02-2003, 10:47 AM

I know I'll get a lot of flack for saying this but. I just lost any respect I had for MM. I used to think he was a man and now I find out he committed sucide? It's the cowards way out. My doctor once said to me when I was in the depths of depression and looking for help, "Why kill yourself? It's a permanent solution for a temporary problem". And he was right. I was homless twice, abandoned by my family, learned how fucked up they are, I've had over ten jobs in ten years and I bit the bullet and pulled through.

Suicide is a very selfish act and usually hurts those left behind. Just read about the pain he inflicted on the board members here. Imagine his wife and family. I don't feel sorry for him in the least.

TALON

DamagedGoods · 01-02-2003, 11:01 AM

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Originally posted by Talon
I know I'll get a lot of flack for saying this but. I just lost any respect I had for MM. I used to think he was a man and now I find out he committed sucide? It's the cowards way out.

Talon,

No flak here, just my perspective. I don't know what went on in MadMordigan's head...it could very well be that he had a physical illness that resulted in him not being able to reason his way though a bad episode of some sort. I have found myself depressed many times, and suicide has crossed my mind, but I managed to get by without seriously considering it as an option. But I have wondered, on occasion, things like, "what if I happened to get depressed and some (related or not) chemical imbalance left me without the ability to recognize depression as something that is temporary? Would I survive that?"

Because I don't know much about the circumstances of MM's life (and who ever really can, other than the one person who lives in that brain?), and because I don't like to speculate on such things, I couldn't feel confident in saying that MM took "the coward's way out." Maybe that's being too wishy-washy, but that's just the way I feel about it.

I also have a bias against that sort of sentiment anyay, because it sounds like something I would have said when I was a fundie. No offense intended towards you, just another perspective.

B. H. Manners · 01-02-2003, 08:22 PM

Talon,

I have a family member who suffered from severe depression at one time. She was able to get help, though she had to be hospitalized for a few months to be watched, have a proper prescription match found, counseled, ect.

One thing she was told by her doctors is that severely depressed people in many cases simply do not know what they are doing when they commit suicide. From the posters here who have revealed what they know of MM's situation in a first hand manner I infer that may very well be what happened to him.

I would also add that while it is POSSIBLE your assessment may be correct of some suicide cases, this was an inappropriate time to share it.

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12-27-2002, 01:26 AM	#171
JohnR Senior Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: Eastern PNW Posts: 572	It is really sad that one so young was in so much pain that he felt death was the only solution. I would not question his decision only try to understand. My condolances to all his friends, he will be missed.

12-28-2002, 08:35 PM	#172
DamagedGoods Regular Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Norfolk, VA, USA Posts: 219	I'm saddened to hear of MadMordigan's passing...although I don't get to keep up with these forums as much as I'd like, his is a name I always associated with good posts. I will miss his presence here.

12-30-2002, 01:34 AM	#173
RaptorRed Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Milwaukee, WI Posts: 25	I hadn't checked these forums in a while, and I come back to find this.

12-30-2002, 01:46 PM	#174
Miss Piggy Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 65	Even if I didn't know MM at all, I was shocked when I heard about his death. I've have been lurking here for a while and read some of his posts (only the happy ones, I understand now). I appreciated his sense of humour. Somehow I always considered him a very resilient person, because he could see the comic side of things.

12-30-2002, 08:56 PM	#175
oriecat Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Portland OR USA Posts: 1,098	I can't believe I didn't know this until now. I am shocked. I didn't know him, but I will miss him and his posts. He always made me laugh. Unless he completely offended me. I think such was his gift. (I accidentally typed "suck was his gift" first. I think he would have liked that. )

01-01-2003, 05:19 AM	#176
Corgan Sow Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia Posts: 1,537	It's quite a ****ing shocking news. I didn't know him much, but his humor is first class... I hope I can share one last poetry here to him...from Mahler's Das Lied Von Der Erde. I dismounted and handed him the drink of parting. I asked him where he would go, and also why it must be. He spoke, his voice was choked: My friend, on this earth, fortune has not been kind to me! Where do I go? I will go, wander in the mountains. I seek peace for my lonely heart. I wander to find my homeland, my home. I will never stray to foreign lands. Quiet is my heart, waiting for its hour! The dear earth everywhere blooms in spring and grows green afresh! Everywhere and eternally, distant places have blue skies! Eternally... eternally... You may be gone, but not in the hearts of so many users here. Eternally, you'll be missed.

01-01-2003, 08:15 PM	#177
never been there Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Winnipeg, MB Posts: 2,144	What a terrible shame. I remember him as one who tried to speak for level-headedness on these boards. From this, I take hope that he was making the right decision for himself. My sincere condolences to MadMordigan's friends, and my sympathy to him for the pain he lived through.

01-02-2003, 10:47 AM	#178
Talon Banned Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Not the real world, that's for sure. Posts: 1,300	I know I'll get a lot of flack for saying this but. I just lost any respect I had for MM. I used to think he was a man and now I find out he committed sucide? It's the cowards way out. My doctor once said to me when I was in the depths of depression and looking for help, "Why kill yourself? It's a permanent solution for a temporary problem". And he was right. I was homless twice, abandoned by my family, learned how fucked up they are, I've had over ten jobs in ten years and I bit the bullet and pulled through. Suicide is a very selfish act and usually hurts those left behind. Just read about the pain he inflicted on the board members here. Imagine his wife and family. I don't feel sorry for him in the least. TALON

01-02-2003, 08:22 PM	#180
B. H. Manners Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 1,213	Talon, I have a family member who suffered from severe depression at one time. She was able to get help, though she had to be hospitalized for a few months to be watched, have a proper prescription match found, counseled, ect. One thing she was told by her doctors is that severely depressed people in many cases simply do not know what they are doing when they commit suicide. From the posters here who have revealed what they know of MM's situation in a first hand manner I infer that may very well be what happened to him. I would also add that while it is POSSIBLE your assessment may be correct of some suicide cases, this was an inappropriate time to share it.

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