keyser_soze

I had to vote with still in tomb, because you did not put an option for eaten by dogs...


edit:nevermind, peter stated the case.

Magus55

And if He is still in a tomb, why haven't archaeologists found a body in 2000 years? They are pretty sure they know what tomb He was buried in, and it wasn't in the ground ( basically like a mausoleum) so the bones would still be in tact. You'd think finding the remains of the most famous figure in human history would be quite enticing to any archaeologist.

Pantera

Which tomb would that be, which archeologists are you referring to (all of them?), and how are they so sure of this?

Mageth

Here's a challenge for you, Magus: Do a little bit of critical thinking about what you're claiming here, and see if you can come up with some good counter-arguments to your claims. Try to think of some possible reasons why Jesus' remains have not been found (and, of course, positively identified) other than the supernatural one you believe. Post the results here, and if you wish give your counter-arguments to show why the supernatural resurrection is the most likely scenario.

Magus, I made such a challenge to you before on another subject, which you ignored. I'd like to see you try this one.

Secular Pinoy

Mageth,

No rational argument will have a rational effect on a man who does not want to adopt a rational attitude.
Karl Popper

Magus55

Obviously I can't think of another reason why Jesus' body can't be found, because I believe it will never be found, since He was ressurected. And even if I didn't believe in the ressurection, I wouldn't question His existence, because most historians don't doubt Jesus of Nazareth existed. Atheists seem to be the only ones with that issue. So sorry can't do your test since I only accept one possible explanation.

Koyaanisqatsi

Which is to say, the impossible explanation; that a dead man resurrected from the grave.

At least you're consistent.



EDITED TO ADD: Maggie, wouldn't it have been more miraculous and in better keeping with christian claims (such as Paul makes) that no one will ever die again if Jesus had not died on the cross? That no matter what the Romans did to him and no matter how long he stayed up on that cross, he never died? Wouldn't that be a far more effective (and theologically consistent) example of immortality through Jesus ("Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed-- in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed")? What better way to demonstrate that change that will happen to all those who will not sleep?

Or does that just make too much sense?

Peter Kirby

"Where's the body at today?" has to be one of the dumbest arguments for the resurrection of Jesus. Besides the blinkered attitude to Jesus mythicism evinced, how would we verify that some bits of bone belonged to the real Jesus to the satisfaction of Christendom? And where on earth is the body of Muhammad--or do you think he was assumed into heaven? You must be a Catholic too because Mary was translated into heaven and nobody has found her body. And if you believe that we know where the tomb of Jesus is, your credulity is on the same plane as those who believe that Julian the emporer exhumed Jesus and displayed the bodily remains in the streets.

best,
Peter Kirby

Bernard Muller

I share the concerns of Peter on that one:
- Stay in the tomb is out for me, because I think his body never went into any kind of decent tomb.
- Stay on the cross. I do not think so for a number of reasons, against Jewish custom, Passover approaching, reusable vertical beam, the stink. Possible but not probable. Furthermore a "disappearance" would have help the belief Jesus went to heaven soon after his death.
- Buried in a lime pit or a criminal common burial site by hired hands (from the Romans). Yes, probable.
- What about burned? I think that was going on too.
The net result is I cannot vote on that one.
Best regards, Bernard

Doctor X

Maybe the young guy in the tomb in Mk ate him?

--J.D.