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Old 05-29-2003, 07:07 AM   #21
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Hunch: there are 4 to 5 episodes of NPT. If someone funds me and a clinician to stick canulae into healthy adult males, draw blood every 10 minutes and do radioimmunoassays of T, hooking up the poor guy's penis to the chart recorder thing that keep track of NPT and trying to establish whether NPT and T pulse maxima cross-correlate with NPT...we'll be able to claim cross correlation (or lack thereof) and not cause.
Excellent idea. I did a literature search and found a very similar study (Veldhuis JD, et al. J Clin Endocrinol Metab 2000;85:1477). And your hunch is right.

In young men, there was a positive correlation between NPT and testosterone secretion, in which an increase in NPT activity respectively preceded and followed increased testosterone secretion by 12.5–32.5 and 50–60 min. Also, sleep stage and testosterone secretion rates were strongly related, such that elevations in testosterone secretion occurred -2.5 to 25 min after sleep deepened. And there was an inverse correlation between LH secretion rates and NPT. By the way, in older men (age 65-74 years) all these correlations were abolished. They concluded that there is coordination among sleep stage, central nervous system-directed NPT activity, and hypothalamically driven episodic GnRH/LH (and thereby Leydig cell testosterone) secretion, and this is abolished with age.

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I hate having to do a hand stand in order to piss.
What, don't you have a shower fixture?
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So far, so good about nocturnal penile tumescence. But then, there are 16 waking hours, during which GnRH keeps pulsing. While I do recall late afternoon spontaneous erections when I was 15-20 years younger (oh come on: my 38th birthday is due on June 15. I'm not old!), I'd hesitate to claim causal relationships between daytime T pulses and erections.
Guess there's something about the waking mind that keeps the hypothalamus in check.
With reference to Post Micturition whatever it was, do I see the hypothalamus fighting back?
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2. My hypothesis: when ambient temperature is (significantly) below 37 degrees celcius, the sudden loss of about 300 ml of fluid at 37 degrees cools the urinator appreciably. The autonomic response to this may be the PS.
This theory doesn't <ahem> hold water.

The urine is at body temperature. If two objects of the same temperature are separated, that doesn't cool either of them off. For example, pouring a cup of coffee doesn't make the coffee in the pot cooler.
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I hate having to do a hand stand in order to piss.
Handstand?

It's all ballistic trajectories, baby, Yeah!
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Handstand?

It's all ballistic trajectories, baby, Yeah!
Hmmm. Here's something that sounds like most men should know offhand if it's true, but I've heard it claimed that it's impossible to urinate with a full-on erection.

This may require some experimentation on my own part, but I can't verify or deny this claim. I mean, I don't remember actually taking a piss whilst fully aroused. Is this true?


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I don't think it's possible to pee while you have a full hard-on, I vaguely remember something about blood pinching off the valve at the base of the penis. However if your erection isn't a full one, then you can indeed pee but it's awkward as hell. Happened to me a lot when I was hitting my early teens.
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I can see this degenerating into an argument:

"But I just took a piss last night with a full hard-on!"

"Well, it must not have been a complete erection..."

Brings a whole new meaning to the term "no-true-scotsman fallacy"...
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I don't think it's possible to pee while you have a full hard-on, I vaguely remember something about blood pinching off the valve at the base of the penis.
You can.

The muscles that close off the urinary bladder from the prostatic urethra don't contract until just before ejaculation, and take a few minutes to relax afterwards. That's why it's difficult for a man to urinate right after orgasm
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I can see this degenerating into an argument:

"But I just took a piss last night with a full hard-on!"

"Well, it must not have been a complete erection..."

Brings a whole new meaning to the term "no-true-scotsman fallacy"...
I heard it somewhere before. But I'm not tempted to experiment myself.

Still, thanks to Dr. Rick for the reply.


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