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Old 05-29-2003, 11:49 PM   #1341
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I am 100% certain that Outspoken is not GR.

GR admitted once to faults, and apologized. I have never, ever, seen Outspoken or LB do that. Not for anything, not for moral failings, not for misunderstandings, not for *anything*.
I agree. LB/OS does not grasp the nuances in having a secret identity. He is what he is, not very complex, but with significant buying into the "being right" form of distorted thinking.
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Old 05-29-2003, 11:58 PM   #1342
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Yeah, he never concedes huh? Although I think yesterday, I thought I saw him concede to a point, but I may be mistaken.
I'd love to see it. The Belief O Matic thread still haunts me; at this point, I honestly do not know that I think he is *capable* of conceding.

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Remember when I was an admin? I was cool huh? I remember I spent lots of time keeping Mallory Knox from being banned (remember her?), and generally fought for the seemingly bothered, I hate banning, I think it sucks, I think they could be a little more lenient, especially when debate is limited to apologetics. You know, Mallory was the only one I banned after being hounded to death and my pleas were ignored, maybe she was too wild, but i think she was young and suicidal, so I tried to help, and it was working until she got banned, and I never saw her again, she was only banned for a couple of weeks.
I seem to recall she might have had something else going on, but...

I was stunned that they banned her. She was fairly young, and she had lost her faith, and she was angry, and she was asking really good questions... It sometimes felt like they banned her for asking questions most people couldn't answer.

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But there are admins over there, that if they weren't out voted would go on a banning spree, I spent lots of time in meetings fighting for leniency, and offered to be the "troubled member helper guy", and some (who will go unnamed), fought back saying 3 warnings and a month or longer suspension, I mean cmon, lighten up, most people who get warned mellow out, and to limit it to such a low number isn't fair, how about compassion and rehabilitation? Most members responded well to my counciling them on the rules, I spoke nice and gentle and became their friend, I don't see the staff doing that anymore, I guess its just too big, and not really a ministry anymore.
The killer, I think, is that warnings are permanent... That means that a good, thoughtful, poster who loses his temper even OCCASIONALLY will eventually be banned, no matter what.

I agree, they've lost sight of how a ministry runs.
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Old 05-30-2003, 12:40 AM   #1343
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I'd love to see it. The Belief O Matic thread still haunts me; at this point, I honestly do not know that I think he is *capable* of conceding.
Funny how that works. I still say you're in the best position to convert me. But don't bet on it.

I have a funny feeling that if the Second Coming were tomorrow, most of the fundementalists would claim that He's not Jesus... because He isn't exactly as they thought. We'd probably have a Second Crucifixion at the hands of the modern Pharisees...

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I seem to recall she might have had something else going on, but...

I was stunned that they banned her. She was fairly young, and she had lost her faith, and she was angry, and she was asking really good questions... It sometimes felt like they banned her for asking questions most people couldn't answer.
Shame.

I would probably have liked to meet her. It seems that I run into people who are in the same boat as I, only on the other side of the looking-glass. :P


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The killer, I think, is that warnings are permanent... That means that a good, thoughtful, poster who loses his temper even OCCASIONALLY will eventually be banned, no matter what.

I agree, they've lost sight of how a ministry runs.
Could be worse... There appear to be some good people left up top. Nyj and TheBear come to mind. Crazy goings-on in Sci/Ev...

There is still hope.
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Old 05-30-2003, 12:58 AM   #1344
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I miss Mallory Knox. She was cool.

Did I pitch Cross+Flame forums to you yet? I think you'd find the environment a lot more interesting than CF. More people there who are willing to take a hard question to the face without accusing you of "attacking". For that matter, did I pitch my blog to you?
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I miss Mallory Knox. She was cool.

Did I pitch Cross+Flame forums to you yet? I think you'd find the environment a lot more interesting than CF. More people there who are willing to take a hard question to the face without accusing you of "attacking". For that matter, did I pitch my blog to you?
Mallory was cool, I remember she would go off and cuss like a sailor, then I would PM her and tell her, that I can't edit her posts fast enough before people reported them LOL, but in PM, she was like a child, she had some problems, I miss her too, she was real young, in a lot of ways Tenek is similar, but Mallory could easily outcuss you Tenek. Her real name was Erin. Mallory Knox was one of the hracters in "Natural Born Killers"

I got to read more of seebs blog, and I should visit Cross and Flame, those guys are really super nice, the staff I mean.
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Old 05-30-2003, 03:57 AM   #1346
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I have this gut feeling that Erwin just hates my guts with a fiery passion that burns deep in his gullet, I don't know what I did to him, but so be it.
Gut feelings can be wrong, though.

Has he ever done anything to indicate he hates you? Maybe he's just doesn't put the effort you do into being friendly. It could be personality as much as anything, couldn't it?

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And this is no crap, I have this gut feeling that Erwin just hates my guts with a fiery passion that burns deep in his gullet, I don't know what I did to him, but so be it.

Here's your pink bow. Start a singin'!
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Old 05-30-2003, 08:23 AM   #1348
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Angry Don't like having my sex interest Ostracised!

... What makes me uncomfortable about the: "Is Sex Dirty" Thread is, those who have the Opinion that it is only OK in a Marriage. I get really upset with people that like to ostracize and taboo sex from the people who are Single. Can't affort to be married, because of some handicaps. Obviously if I don't fit and meet up to certain expectations for what the hierarchy of other people want concidering marriage as some kind of merit for approval. That just irritates me the most. And I can not even get my ideas understood and expressed.
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Old 05-30-2003, 09:09 AM   #1349
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... What makes me uncomfortable about the: "Is Sex Dirty" Thread is, those who have the Opinion that it is only OK in a Marriage. I get really upset with people that like to ostracize and taboo sex from the people who are Single. Can't affort to be married, because of some handicaps. Obviously if I don't fit and meet up to certain expectations for what the hierarchy of other people want concidering marriage as some kind of merit for approval. That just irritates me the most. And I can not even get my ideas understood and expressed.
Well, as one of those people who leans in the direction of thinking that sex is only a "good idea" within a marriage, let me point out that I can't imagine anyone being *unable* to get married - because I don't think the civil paperwork is a "marriage".

I sort of know what you mean, though. People love to think they have God domesticated, that they can determine exactly who is or isn't following the rules "well enough", or exactly what the rules are, and they tend to be very judgemental.

Frankly, looking at one couple who have sex within an officially-sanctioned marriage, out of habit and a sense of "duty", and another who are unmarried, but feel alone and are reaching out to each other, I'd be more bothered by the former.
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Seebs, probably re some complaint of Badfish's again:
Seriously, even if she *does* have you on ignore, it's probably not because she can't handle her views being challenged (I mean, she *does* hang out on a Christian BBS, and debate Hell with people), but because she doesn't like the way you debate.

Kass:
I have already explained to Badfish why I have ignored him in the past. If he chooses to pay no attention to what I say about MY motives, as he does in numerous places that I have seen, then my stating them again will undoubtedly make no difference. My feelings, quite obviously, don't matter to him...only his do.

Like I have already said, he could quite easily choose to behave reasonably and non-abusively toward those with different views than his, refrain from insulting our religious beliefs, keep from being suspicious of anything that is different than the way he sees the world, and I would be glad to pay attention to him. I don't pay attention to people who perpetually ignore what others say in order to say nasty things to them, who deliberately attack others' sacred values and then try to pass it all off as "just in fun," nor to those who constantly whine about my attempts to preserve my own emotional and mental health by ignoring them, rather than having to engage with them and be abused and harmed by them repeatedly. If he does choose to change, and does so for more than the "for a few weeks before I get tired of being nice and decide to bash others again" cycle we've already seen, could someone let me know? Thank you. Otherwise, don't bother trying to get me to read any of his stuff, be it by quoting or otherwise. My emotional state is becoming more and more precarious by the day, due to a serious medical problem I have, and I don't need extra hatred and cruelty in my life right now.

Thanks again.
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