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Old 04-15-2003, 11:12 PM   #101
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Question for you to ponder: is it POSSIBLE that in GENERAL (not absolutely) atheists have commonalities more than simply "lack of belief in god(s), making it possible to identify them as atheists without an admission of "lack of belief in god(s)"?
I have never seen someone deny this. Have you? Could you show me? You are talking about general commonalities, anyone making the comments that made you think of this thread was talking about absolutes (or they were wrong, and I agree with you). There are NO other absolute commonalities among atheists aside from "lack of belief in god(s)". There are general trends, it would be impossible for there to not be trends unless atheists as a group were always split 50-50 about everything.

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I have never seen someone deny this. Have you? Could you show me? You are talking about general commonalities, anyone making the comments that made you think of this thread was talking about absolutes (or they were wrong, and I agree with you). There are NO other absolute commonalities among atheists aside from "lack of belief in god(s)". There are general trends, it would be impossible for there to not be trends unless atheists as a group were always split 50-50 about everything.

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then atheists are not unique amongst any religious group. for there are also NO absolute commonalities among thesist accept for positive belief in a god(s). i am only saying that I can identify and classify atheists with a good degree of probability without them ever telling me they lack belief in god(s)
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Old 04-16-2003, 12:50 AM   #103
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Wow! Your claims change awfully quickly. You've done a 180 in this thread already!

Here's part of your OP.



And here's what you say now:



So, let me get this straight. It's tough to classify Christians based on common beliefs, but, duh, it's easy to classify Christians based on common beliefs. And to think that some people here called you a troll!
i never said it was easy to classify Christians. quit putting words in my mouth and being a dishonorable troll
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Sigh. Writng a quiz with loaded questions then claiming your brilliance in spotting the atheists is hardly a supernatural feat. These are the type of questions that we'd have gotten bitchslapped for using when I was doing experimental psych. You've biased your answers and you have no statistical scoring method.

Verdict:
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Old 04-16-2003, 04:10 AM   #105
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xian are you trying to prove you have a supernatural ability or that atheists have things in common?

To prove atheists have even one thing in common you have to show that every atheist answers at least one question the same way and not every theist does.

To prove you have the supernatural ability to identify atheists you need to show you can do so using a test where the questions aren't analogous to "Do you believe God did this?" or "Do you think the Bible is correct when it says...? or "What do you think of Christians?", which are simply ways of asking "Are you an atheist?" slightly less directly.

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Old 04-16-2003, 04:20 AM   #106
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i never said it was easy to classify Christians. quit putting words in my mouth and being a dishonorable troll
No, not with those EXACT words. However, you did say:

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What Christian denies that they have common traits? Like...DUH!

I am not denying that you can classify Christians. Duh
After I presented you with three tests that EASILY (one question each) CLASSIFY people as Christian. It doesn't get much more blatant than that.

Now, you could do the honorable thing and admit that you were busted arguing both sides of a position or you could keep on trolling. Hmmm, I wonder what you're going to do.
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Simple question to weed out the god fearing christians:-
Would you be prepared to kill another human, circumstance irrelevant?

xian, unless you are a member of the Papal Gestapo, why do you derive such pleasure in an ability to 'pin down' people who dont believe what you believe? Your glee is undeniable.
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Here's a couple of questions to find fundies (note that it sometimes scores false positives when administered to preschoolers).

1. What is the most likely reason for the extinction of the dinosaurs?

A. A giant meteor.

B. Disease.

C. Drowning.

2. If someone were to leave from 3 pm on Friday and return early Sunday morning, which answer is closest to the length of time they were gone?

A. 1 1/2 days.

B. 2 days.

C. 3 days.
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This thread was a complete waste of time.


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The ONLY thing atheists have in common is a nonbelief in theism. Or so they say. Atheists claim that they cannot be classified or that they have any common philosophical positions other than the one I cited above.

you based your entire questionaire on a strawman. horray for you, you've proven something that was never denied.

But, to answer your query, atheists hold one thing in common, lack of a belief in a god. However, there are certain other things that come with not beliving in a god. Horray for you, you've discovered the obvious.

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You know, responding to this drivel is really beneath most of us. *sigh*
xian: I would first like to know from whence you derived the skills to formulate questionnaires? What level of proficiency do you have in doing so? What sort of groupings have you allowed for in your post-coded questions? What kind of pilot testing of your instrument did you undertake to measure validity? Have you determined (empirically) the reliability of your instrument? Perhaps its accuracy? What sort of statistical analysis do you perform on your data? I would assume at the very least, that you are using some correlations, or even ANOVA? Dare I hope beyond hope that you've undertaken some path analysis?
Need I mention the lack of ethics demonstrated by this toy of yours? "Informed consent of participants" ring a bell?
How about your sampling frame? Relevance? Supported by the literature? Ever hear about "opportunistic sampling"? Bias?

Run along back to the sandbox sonny; we're trying to have a grownup talk here.
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