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elwoodblues · 02-08-2003, 10:36 AM

Well, this is exactly what's not needed:

CPI

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The Center for Public Integrity has obtained a draft, dated January 9, 2003, of this previously undisclosed legislation and is making it available in full text (12 MB). The bill, drafted by the staff of Attorney General John Ashcroft and entitled the Domestic Security Enhancement Act of 2003, has not been officially released by the Department of Justice, although rumors of its development have circulated around the Capitol for the last few months under the name of �the Patriot Act II� in legislative parlance.

August Spies · 02-08-2003, 10:40 AM

:banghead:

elwoodblues · 02-08-2003, 10:42 AM

This one scared me the most:

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Section 501, �Expatriation of Terrorists�: This provision, the drafters say, would establish that an American citizen could be expatriated �if, with the intent to relinquish his nationality, he becomes a member of, or provides material support to, a group that the United Stated has designated as a �terrorist organization�.� But whereas a citizen formerly had to state his intent to relinquish his citizenship, the new law affirms that his intent can be �inferred from conduct.� Thus, engaging in the lawful activities of a group designated as a �terrorist organization� by the Attorney General could be presumptive grounds for expatriation.

02-08-2003, 10:58 AM

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Section 501, �Expatriation of Terrorists�: This provision, the drafters say, would establish that an American citizen could be expatriated �if, with the intent to relinquish his nationality, he becomes a member of, or provides material support to, a group that the United Stated has designated as a �terrorist organization�.� But whereas a citizen formerly had to state his intent to relinquish his citizenship, the new law affirms that his intent can be �inferred from conduct.� Thus, engaging in the lawful activities of a group designated as a �terrorist organization� by the Attorney General could be presumptive grounds for expatriation.

Gotta love that "terrorist organization" label, especially with this set of nutcases we got in the Executive Branch.

Long live the EAC.

elwoodblues · 02-08-2003, 11:03 AM

Can anyone find the US gov't's 'list of terrorist organizations'? I just wanna make sure I don't belong to any of them. Or contributed to any of them. Or know someone who belongs to them. Or know someone who knows someone...

Monkeybot · 02-08-2003, 11:11 AM

Try this link. (I don't necessarily agree with it, btw, but it's got a list of groups. I'm not certain how comprehensive, though.)

Loren Pechtel · 02-08-2003, 12:03 PM

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Originally posted by elwoodblues
Well, this is exactly what's not needed:

CPI

This thread is mistitled.

It should be the Gestapo Act II.

Coleman Smith · 02-09-2003, 06:15 PM

Elwoodblues said, �Can anyone find the US gov't's 'list of terrorist organizations'? I just wanna make sure I don't belong to any of them. Or contributed to any of them. Or know someone who belongs to them. Or know someone who knows someone...�

Too late, American Atheist, Internet Infidels, IIB, ACLU, NAACP will be if reverend Ashcroft has his say.

Goodbye, Elwoodblues, your expatriated.

Coleman Smith
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The assertion that the universe is surround in grape jelly is more creditable than the assertion that we are the immortal pets of some deity.

General Zod · 02-09-2003, 10:07 PM

In case you don't want to download the entire thing, Rotten has it at this URL.

theyeti · 02-09-2003, 10:10 PM

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Originally posted by elwoodblues
...although rumors of its development have circulated around the Capitol for the last few months under the name of �the Patriot Act II� in legislative parlance.

Man, this better not suck as bad as Sister Act II.

theyeti

02-09-2003, 06:15 PM	#8
Coleman Smith Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: In real time. Posts: 789	Goodbye, Elwoodblues, your expatriated. Elwoodblues said, �Can anyone find the US gov't's 'list of terrorist organizations'? I just wanna make sure I don't belong to any of them. Or contributed to any of them. Or know someone who belongs to them. Or know someone who knows someone...� Too late, American Atheist, Internet Infidels, IIB, ACLU, NAACP will be if reverend Ashcroft has his say. Goodbye, Elwoodblues, your expatriated. Coleman Smith +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ The assertion that the universe is surround in grape jelly is more creditable than the assertion that we are the immortal pets of some deity.

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02-08-2003, 10:40 AM	#2
August Spies Contributor Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: The Vine Posts: 12,950	:banghead:

02-08-2003, 11:03 AM	#5
elwoodblues Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Dunmanifestin, Discworld Posts: 4,836	Can anyone find the US gov't's 'list of terrorist organizations'? I just wanna make sure I don't belong to any of them. Or contributed to any of them. Or know someone who belongs to them. Or know someone who knows someone...

02-08-2003, 11:11 AM	#6
Monkeybot Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: North Carolina Posts: 8,102	Try this link. (I don't necessarily agree with it, btw, but it's got a list of groups. I'm not certain how comprehensive, though.)

02-09-2003, 10:07 PM	#9
General Zod Regular Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Mississippi Posts: 127	In case you don't want to download the entire thing, Rotten has it at this URL.

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