Fr.Andrew

(Bill Snedden): The meaning I've been employing, and I daresay the one just about everyone uses is: "sexual contact between individuals of the same sex."
(Fr Andrew): I understand how you've been using it and in context, you've done splendid. And you're right that most people see it that way.
But in truth, sexual orientation has to do with the object of one's desire...not the physical act of sex.
For instance, straight men are routinely raped, and in many cases, for convenience, enter into male relationships in prisons, schools, etc. That doesn't make them gay.
And many gay men marry, raise families and die, never having a homosexual encounter their entire lives. That doesn't make them straight.
It's about attraction...if a man is turned on by thoughts of sex with men, he's gay (or at least bisexual). The same holds true for heterosexuals, of course.
And we have no control over who we find sexually attractive.

That's why wondering whether homosexuality is ethical or not doesn't make a lot to sense to me. It's like wondering about the morality of being albino.
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(dk): No, most people understand... The nuclear family is the basis of all living civilizations.
a) families raise chidren, take care of elderly members.
b) procreate
c) autonomous
(Fr Andrew): Observant people understand that a) and b), at least, are not unique to a particular sexual orientation...if that's your implication. Homosexuals raise children, care for the elderly and procreate. I'm unsure what you mean by "autonomous".

dk

Homosexuality defines a person as an object, an object of sexual atraction, whereas family defines men and women in terms of an ethical form, women and men being wed by a blood oath (till death do us part) consummated by an act of procreation. The form is ethical because it suits all parties it covers, and is necessary to procreation. This really has nothing to do with homosexuality which has no ethical form. The ethics of homosexuality follow egotistically from concept alone i.e. the concept being that sexual attraction is self evident, therefore moral.

The probelm is that women are rarely pedophiles or rapists. Thus a sexual attraction towards prepubescent children must also be moral, and the use of women as sexual objects must also be moral. This undermines all ethical norms that communicate happiness as the proper object of human struggle, and substitutes a completely egotistical system.

Dr Rick

dk, this part of your last post:...is the only part that makes any sense.

yguy

You're getting to be a bit of a troll, Doc.

dk

All irrational fear is based in ignorance. I fear the MDR microbes that thrive and evolve in the bowels of over medicated communities that practice anonymous anal sex, and IDU. I submit gay communities are the victims of irrational fear. They hide behind privacy laws that make the hiv/std impossible to control. They imagine themselves the victims of some non-existent social backlash. Its gay communities that build their own prison with irrational fear.

In an ethical world the nuclear family has a distinct form, its normal for a man and women to wed (covenant oath) consumated by an act of procreation to order their life with/for love/children. A man and a woman are a distinct form, the nuclear family is a distinct form, and homosexuality has no form, literally.

Dr Rick

Then you explain it if it makes sense to you; I can't understand what he's babbling about with "ethical forms," "blood oaths," "distinct forms," and whatever else he tosses into the word salad.

You think that this has anything to do with the morality of homophobia? Then go ahead and explain it.

everlastingtongue

Again with the anal sex – you really do have a fixation with it. So, are gays who don’t practice anal sex fine with you or not?

Non-existent social backlash?

Innocent people have been killed, beaten, harassed, fired, denied housing, denied employment, denied health coverage, denied hospital visitation, and more for no other reason than being, or being considered, gay.

I’d say a reasonable amount of fear is healthy in any gay person, considering the outright cruelty infected on them. That is why, in my opinion, openly gay people are some of the bravest people in the world.

dk

Blacks are most often the victims of Black Crime, Hispanics are most often the victims of Hispanic Crime. Caucasians are most often the victims of Caucasian Crime. I have no doubt that Gay men are most often the victims of Gay crime. That said women are seldom rapists or pedophiles, and men are by and large more inclinded to violence against men. If gays suffer disproportionately from violent crime, its likely because they are men, not gay.

winstonjen

Please. Sites like this when there is no 'equal opportunity' page for heterosexual people (men in particular) shows that there's something wrong.

dk

Why do you advertise for them?