Invisible Insanity

Real Truth Radio

I was listening to one of the archives. (The Raving Atheist one.) These guys are absolutely awful and intellectually dishonest. They seem to argue that that since immaterial abstract objects exist, such as logic or the number 2, God exists because that is the foundation of all things. They say that logic is part of God's nature and that is why they (Christians) have an absolute standard in which to go by as opposed to atheists. Let me know what you guys think. Maybe we should invite them to debate in a forum here. The problem with debating someone, is that wit can play a big part of it. And truthfully, I am not the wittiest person when debating over the phone.

This is the archive in question:
Real Truth Radio vs. The Raving Atheist

Clutch

God is a prerequisite for life, for reasoning... all non-Christian systems of thought are self-contradictory... Aren't we just bags of chemicals, on the atheist worldview?...

Total clown shoes. All idiotic statements, all the time. Children are starving, and these half-wits have money for a radio show!

Plus, they're Calvinists. Even other fundies find Calvinists to be a bunch of prigs desperate to add "savant" to their usual title.

Invisible Insanity

I agree that they are wrong and make stupid claims. I just want to know the names of the fallacies they are using. I know that they use false dichotomies a lot. For example, they assume that because the atheist doesn't have an answer, that their world view is automatically correct. This is a similar tactic used by creationists with regards to evolution. One argument that I think the Real Truth Radio people hate is the appeal to the senses. They seem to completely disqualify very basic personal experience (aka pain, pleasure) as unphilosophical. I would like to debate these people myself, but I really would have a hard time debating over the phone. I have a bad habit of stuttering when I'm on the phone (not much, but enough to throw me off). So, I would love to use a forum on IIDS to debate them in when time permits. Personally, Calvinists and those similar to them are probably the most detestable form of Christianity. The concept of justice becomes just consonant sounds with some vowels thrown in. Calvinists completely destroy the meaning of justice.

Thanks for your reply

Clutch

False dichotomy, indeed. Good call.

Also circularity, of a bait-and-switch sort. Raving A challenges them to show why an unbeliever should find God's arrangements morally reasonable; their reply is "How dare you judge God!"

In other words, the show that began by promising to "rock your unbelief" ends up arguing that, if you accept that God exists and is morally perfect, then you won't worry about the apparent moral absurdities of Christianity. But that's not rocking anyone's unbelief. It's merely rehearsing their own belief.

I loved the one guy's disappointment when he asked for a definition of "religion", obviously hoping for one that he could twist in order to make out the old "atheism is a religion" idiocy. Raving A gave him one that had belief in the supernatural as an essential element. After a brief crestfallen mope, the guy bulls ahead with his rehearsed line anyhow: Well, here's a different definition of religion... and then proceeds to voice his cherished little howler.