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yguy · 07-22-2003, 07:58 PM

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BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Yguy, why don't you just quit? Your arguments have been ripped to shreds throughout this entire thread.

I have to admit I'm a trifle dense sometimes. Perhaps you would condescend to educate me as to which of my arguments a decade old statement from GLAAD "rips to shreds", seeing how I never mentioned that organization. Is this somehow supposed to negate what I've said about the NYC and SF parade organizers?

Pflag also has a similar denuciation of NAMBLA, but it apparently didn't keep them from sharing the spotlight with Harry Hay in the 1999 SF parade:

At its meeting held last Tuesday night, the Pride Committee confirmed that Harry Hay would be the Individual Grand Marshal and PFLAG would be the Organization Grand Marshal

JamesKrieger · 07-22-2003, 08:46 PM

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Originally posted by yguy
I have to admit I'm a trifle dense sometimes. Perhaps you would condescend to educate me as to which of my arguments a decade old statement from GLAAD "rips to shreds", seeing how I never mentioned that organization. Is this somehow supposed to negate what I've said about the NYC and SF parade organizers?

If all you cared about was the NYC and SF parade organizers in what are isolated incidents, why did you head your thread "Attention homosexual rights activists"?

If all you cared about was the NYC and SF parade organizers, why did you make comment such as this?

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You guys owe it to yourselves to repudiate this insanity with everything you have. I realize some of you have problems with the subject due to personal experience with it, but those who are able need to make your objections known in no uncertain terms, lest those like myself be given any more reason than we already have to draw any connection between homosexuality and pedophilia. Personally I find the thesis too idiotic to even debate; but evidently some here don't have that limitation, so I look forward to seeing you guys cut it to ribbons.

and this?

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For one thing, I've never heard of an advocate of pedophilia who did not think homosexual rights are a given. For another, the rationalizations for both are similar, based nothing more than the idea that traditional morality is not necessarily good rather than on any positive foundation; i.e., the justifications are essentially a subtraction from an established moral code rather than a claim of any new truth.

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I already think that. I also think pedophilia and overeating and other addictions are related, if only distantly. What I will deduce from any lack of condemnation is that homosexual rights advocates lack the courage to stand up to their wayward ideological children.

And now this thread is only about NYC and SF parade organizers, in very isolated incidents?

It seems to me that you keep changing your argument, every time that someone points out problems with your reasoning. This would indicate that your arguments are being ripped to shreds.

yguy · 07-22-2003, 09:00 PM

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Originally posted by JamesKrieger
If all you cared about was the NYC and SF parade organizers in what are isolated incidents,

Where do you get the idea that's all I care about? And aren't the cases of molestation in the RCC isolated incidents too?

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why did you head your thread "Attention homosexual rights activists"?

I've answered that way too many times already.

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why did you make comment such as this?

and this?

and this?

Why shouldn't I? None of those statements contradict each other nor anything else I've said here.

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And now this thread is only about NYC and SF parade organizers, in very isolated incidents?

That isn't my doing. I'm not the one desperately trying to make excuses for such contemptible irresponsibility.

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It seems to me that you keep changing your argument,

I haven't changed it a lick. Many attempts to draw me off point may produce such an illusion in the minds of others, but not me.

Dr Rick · 07-22-2003, 09:19 PM

JamesKrieger has hammered it well, but I can't humanly resist adding my nail to yguy's coffin. Yguy started out blasting "homosexual rights advocates" with:

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You guys owe it to yourselves to repudiate this insanity with everything you have...lest those like myself be given any more reason than we already have to draw any connection between homosexuality and pedophilia.

and now his plaintive plea has been reduced to:

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I never mentioned that organization.

How Clintonesque: the denial is so eerily similar to "I never had sex with that woman."

Dr Rick · 07-22-2003, 09:19 PM

double

Nowhere357 · 07-22-2003, 09:21 PM

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yguy
I haven't changed it a lick. Many attempts to draw me off point may produce such an illusion in the minds of others, but not me.

And of course this is not due to yguy's failure to communicate well. I think he enjoys creating illusions, and I think his reasons are obvious.

:boohoo:

yguy · 07-22-2003, 09:24 PM

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Originally posted by Dr Rick
JamesKrieger has hammered it well, but I can't humanly resist adding my nail to yguy's coffin.

Oh please. You've been dancing on what you imagine to be my grave ever since I got here.

Calzaer · 07-22-2003, 09:37 PM

...and if that's the only response you can make, it's safe to say you have no more evasion room left.

Dr Rick · 07-22-2003, 10:10 PM

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Originally posted by yguy
Oh please. You've been dancing on what you imagine to be my grave ever since I got here.

That's because you never stop playing the music...

JamesKrieger · 07-22-2003, 10:49 PM

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Originally posted by yguy

Why shouldn't I? None of those statements contradict each other nor anything else I've said here.

Really?

Here are some quotes from you:

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lest those like myself be given any more reason than we already have to draw any connection between homosexuality and pedophilia.

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I already think that (homosexuality and pedophilia are related). I also think pedophilia and overeating and other addictions are related, if only distantly.

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No, if you accept homosexuality, you unwittingly accept the force behind it, which in my view is also the force behind pedophilia and gluttony.

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That I see a connection between pedophilia and homosexuality is entirely tangential to the subject of the thread.

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but I said earlier in the thread that I thought homosexuality, pedophilia and gluttony had a common root.

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Maybe not, but the reason they do is because of the political connection between homosexual rights acitivists and pedophilia acitivists,

Let's contrast those with these:

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I haven't thrown hate at anyone, and I'm not blaming homosexuals for pedophilia.

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Of what? That there is a link between homosexuality and pedophilia? No

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That's just it. I'm not (linking homosexuals and pedophiles), despite your pathetic and lamentable efforts to distort my position.

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No (I'm not linking homosexuality and pedophilia), I am pointing out the parallel between the intimidation practiced by homosexual activists against the straight community and that used by NAMBLA against homosexual activists.

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If you mean that the condonation of homosexuality was tantamount to an endorsement of pedophilia, I never made the mental connection.

These statements DO contradict eachother. Or, how about:

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several people here have fallen all over themselves making excuses for these parade organizers since the start of the thread. The parallel is obvious

contrasted with

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For about the hundredth time, I never said that (support for gays rights = support for paedophilia).

Another contradiction in your position.

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I haven't changed it a lick.

Then how do you explain the contrasting statements above?

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