Javaman

And, Shake, I guess the Omaha World Herald does their URLs different than other papers. To see the letter I referred to, you'd have to change to the Sunday edition (at the bottom of the link I posted). It wasn't that big of a deal, really. This was the sentence that fired me up:

"Perhaps we need to consider that our tolerance for socialist and atheist views in the media and the educational arenas is educating our own progeny to be enemies of democracy."

The subject has been tackled elsewhere on II but, imagine if the author of that piece had put any other group of people in there... I don't know, how 'bout Lutherans? Jews? Hispanics? It all comes back to the mindset that, "I don't care what you believe, it may be weird or wrong, but you'd better believe something."

Joel

Are you certain about this? If I remember correctly, the oh-so-infallible Bible doesn't give the same status to an unborn child as it does any other person.

I don't have my references here, but I do seem to remember that if a man strikes a woman and kills her unborn child he must pay a fine. If he kills the woman, then he is put to death. This seems to indicate even the Bible doesn't see an unborn child as a person.
(Can't verify at the moment - my employer blocks search engines on our web access.)

Toto

Even when it has been illegal, abortion has never in the history of legal thought been equated to murder, except in the rhetoric of anti-abortion extremists trying to rouse the troops.

One of the most effective arguments against the "pro-life" position is to ask if they really want to take women who have had abortions and try them for murder, with the possibility of captial punishment. At that point, people instinctively realize that abortion is not murder.

Shake

Ahhh! OK Javaman, I found the one that you've quoted, but I still couldn't find the full letter that Suzanne mentioned. And yes, that is ... ummm, ignorant to say the least.

It also comes back to the "socialist"="atheist"="immoral" mindset. :banghead:

BigBlue2

That would be the verses I mentioned earlier.
Exodus 21:22-23:
If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine.
And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life