ju'iblex

No, I believe it was God that created pain and suffering.... humans didn't just sit down and think..."hm.. i need something to make me feel like shit.". And God created everything so that point is entirely moot.

Adam and Eve didn't know what evil was until they ate the apple, I fail to see how someone with childlike innocence is at all responsible for their actions when they aren't allowed to know the consequences.

Ugh. religion.

Gemma Therese

So, what, are you a theist?

Gemma Therese

Gemma Therese

Humans did create the world we live in. Remember, motivations are difficult to judge, most of us are corrupt and broken in some measure, and we all need redemption.

Gemma Therese

Goliath

No, you disingenuous little twit. She meant that if your god were to exist, then it would've created pain and suffering.

Sincerely,

Goliath

Goliath

Gemma Therese,

Stop trying to project your feelings of worthlessness and your lack of self-esteem on others. These things are your problems, not the problems of anyone else.

Sincerely,

Goliath

Gemma Therese

Goliath,

You really want to argue that people are not to some degree broken and corrupt?

What bubble do you live in?

Gemma Therese

Goliath

Gemma Therese,

I am arguing nothing. I'm merely requesting that you stop projecting your feelings of worthlessness and your lack of self-esteem upon others. Stop turning your problems into our problems.

Sincerely,

Goliath

Gemma Therese

What is my problem again? I see things as they really are?

That is a problem!

Gemma Therese

Goliath

Gemma Therese,

Your feelings of worthlessness and your lack of self-esteem.

Now did you know the answer to the question that you asked, or do you really have the attention span of a hyperactive 5 year old hooked up to a caffiene IV?

Sincerely,

Goliath

scombrid

Rad quoted this much of my post : We should take responsibility for our problems, as we are solely responsible for them. In the absence of a god that is the only logical position. However, if your god exists as you posit then a lot of bad shit is his doing. Our very nature that causes us to do bad shit is his doing.

To which he responeded:

All the while he ignore the remainder of the post (including other points) and going on with his non-point about some blatant logical contradiction.

Here’s the rest of my post that he decided not to quote for some reason.

So basically, we deserve the earthly consequences of our actions. I won’t argue there. Nothing can change how we treat each other but our own action. We recognize the nature of man and work around it. However, if the god you posit as existing exists as posited, then he hasn’t got much business punishing us for acting in the manner in which he created us unless he can demonstrate his existence and corroborate the story of at least one religion and thus give us the knowledge necessary to correct our behavior to his liking. I’m certainly not taking your word for the existence of god and how that god should be treated. If the loving omnipotent god existed and I knew it, I’d trust him but I’m not trusting “just so stories” to found that belief and trust.

Accepting responsibility doesn’t mean making right. I have many moments I’d like to re-live to fix because they’re past and caused myself and others hurt. However, I acknowledge both that they’re my fault and that they’re irrevocable. I can only learn from those experiences and move on and fix things when I can. How is that arrogant or self delusional? If I believed that my supernatural friend had the power to make my wrongs right and that he would do it for me those adjectives might apply.