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Old 08-15-2003, 01:25 PM   #31
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I have learned very much indeed, and I thank you all for teaching me so much. My thoughts on the subject have certainly gotten broader.

Whatever the source is, it's probably a combination of genetics, instinct, and environment.
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The fact that a person can behave in a certain way doesn't have to be 'implicit in the genotype'.
I disagree. It is our biology that allows us to be affected the enviroment. The parameters of bio set parameters of enviormental influence.

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Do you consider every concievable form of behaviour 'implicit in the genotype' because the genotype effects brain development and neurochemistry?
Yes, I do.

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In other words, that homosexuality is a phenotype doesn't rule out environmental factors as being partially or completely causative.
Sort of like my 1st response. It's in our hardwiring to be affected by software ( environment). The ROOT possibility of one being homosexual is genetic. However, there differences between someone born gay and social homesexuality. The later being things such as prison.

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Whatever the source is, it's probably a combination of genetics, instinct, and environment.

"Debates about the relative contributions of nature vs nurture have been among the most contentious in psychology. The premise that underlie these these debates are flawed, yet they are deeply entrenched.

For developmental biologist such a question is not considered.
Every aspect of an organism's phenotype is a joint product of both.

It is gene environment interactionism.

To put your question another way what's more important the engine or the gas? Or, what's more important that determining the area of a rectangle the length or the width?

It is because of nature ( genes) that you can be affected my nurture( environment)

The more nature the more nurture. Genes allow the environment to influence the development of phenotypes."
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Old 08-16-2003, 03:53 AM   #33
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I fail to see how they can help the race progress.
This sounds like 1) Teleology in evolution, which is usually wrong, 2) Species Selectionism, which is questionable.
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It is gene environment interactionism.
Gene reductionism more like it.
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Old 08-16-2003, 08:49 AM   #35
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Unhappy Now I'm just confused.

Before I was sure of my position...

Now after hearing all of your talk I realize there's so much more in the world!

But now there's a problem... brain hurt ow pain in my hed urggh...
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