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K · 10-09-2002, 09:54 AM

agapeo:

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That's not the way it works. So no test can be done. Either a person believes in tongues or they don't. So there's no directive to prove it to someone who doesn't...

No. Interpretation of tongues is the gist of that which has been spoken in a tongue. Not a word by word translation.

How convenient.

By the way, I would accept a gist translation of a foreign language by someone completely unfamiliar with the language as strong evidence for the gift to interpret tongues. Is anything like that available?

Opera Nut · 10-09-2002, 10:09 AM

The Greek word glossolalia can also mean speaking in a foreign tongue, which could have been seen as a special gift to people who didn't travel much. Apparently that concept must piss off the fundies mightily, as I was thrown out of my daughter in law's house when she started screeching about THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU LET HEATHENS IN YOUR HOUSE!!!. Her husband's little brother mentioned the above paragraph, and it ended up in a big argument, and the bitch hit me and I ran out of the house (I threw myself out as I didn't want to be around a raging bitch) and am happy to avoid her and her hubby. If I set foot in Tulsa again after hell freezes over it will be too soon.

K · 10-09-2002, 10:16 AM

Opera Nut:

That is a very spooky story.

Opera Nut · 10-10-2002, 06:55 PM

K: Post Traumatic Stress, anyone???

Apparently North Texas and Okla-by-gawd-homa, especially Tulsa, are full of 'em. <img src="graemlins/banghead.gif" border="0" alt="[Bang Head]" />

agapeo · 10-10-2002, 09:33 PM

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agapeo: That's not the way it works. So no test can be done. Either a person believes in tongues or they don't. So there's no directive to prove it to someone who doesn't...
No. Interpretation of tongues is the gist of that which has been spoken in a tongue. Not a word by word translation.

How convenient.

Yes I suppose one can consider it convenient.

Otoh, I don't see how they should be displayed/used like a side-show in a circus for someone's entertainment.

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By the way, I would accept a gist translation of a foreign language by someone completely unfamiliar with the language as strong evidence for the gift to interpret tongues. Is anything like that available?

Speaking in tongues and interpretation of tongues works in conjunction with each other, not separately. So no, it's not available for someone who interprets the tongue they speak to interpret the tongue that someone else speaks.

K · 10-11-2002, 05:08 AM

agapeo:

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Otoh, I don't see how they should be displayed/used like a side-show in a circus for someone's entertainment.

I wasn't talking about entertainment. Do you know how many people would convert instantly to Christianity if the gift of tongues were proven to me more than people just making strange noises and claiming to have a general idea of what those noises mean?

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Speaking in tongues and interpretation of tongues works in conjunction with each other, not separately. So no, it's not available for someone who interprets the tongue they speak to interpret the tongue that someone else speaks.

So interpretation of tongues doesn't mean that someone has the gift to know what's being said in a foreign language?

Would you contend that I could record a speaking in tongues session along with it's accompanying translation and piece together the rudimentary grammar of the language or at least figure out the translations of some words? That would certainly be possible with a real language.

agapeo · 10-11-2002, 05:52 AM

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So interpretation of tongues doesn't mean that someone has the gift to know what's being said in a foreign language?

Afaik according to 1 Corinthians -- No.

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Would you contend that I could record a speaking in tongues session along with it's accompanying translation and piece together the rudimentary grammar of the language or at least figure out the translations of some words? That would certainly be possible with a real language.

Good question. Actually, I thought about this after I posted. I think that's entirely possible and it got me thinking about some tape recordings I have of "Church" services that I attended at one time years ago. I don't recall if this part of the service was recorded. I'll have to check.

Dargo · 10-11-2002, 06:00 AM

I remember at a Christian camp I once went too the make out place was described as a charismatic service. There was a lot of speaking in tongues and laying on of hands. Not to mention preying on each other.

Eudaimonist · 10-11-2002, 06:57 AM

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<strong> Not to mention preying on each other.</strong>

LOL!

You realize why I'm laughing, right?

scombrid · 10-11-2002, 08:35 AM

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10-09-2002, 10:09 AM	#12
Opera Nut Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Houston TX Posts: 1,671	The Greek word glossolalia can also mean speaking in a foreign tongue, which could have been seen as a special gift to people who didn't travel much. Apparently that concept must piss off the fundies mightily, as I was thrown out of my daughter in law's house when she started screeching about THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU LET HEATHENS IN YOUR HOUSE!!!. Her husband's little brother mentioned the above paragraph, and it ended up in a big argument, and the bitch hit me and I ran out of the house (I threw myself out as I didn't want to be around a raging bitch) and am happy to avoid her and her hubby. If I set foot in Tulsa again after hell freezes over it will be too soon.

10-09-2002, 10:16 AM	#13
K Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Chicago Posts: 1,485	Opera Nut: That is a very spooky story.

10-10-2002, 06:55 PM	#14
Opera Nut Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Houston TX Posts: 1,671	K: Post Traumatic Stress, anyone??? Apparently North Texas and Okla-by-gawd-homa, especially Tulsa, are full of 'em. <img src="graemlins/banghead.gif" border="0" alt="[Bang Head]" />

10-11-2002, 06:00 AM	#18
Dargo Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Texas Posts: 713	I remember at a Christian camp I once went too the make out place was described as a charismatic service. There was a lot of speaking in tongues and laying on of hands. Not to mention preying on each other.

10-11-2002, 08:35 AM	#20
scombrid Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Central Florida Posts: 2,759	<a href="http://216.131.88.114/tilton/" target="_blank">Bob Tilton</a> bobokeemaataaamoootaaameeekaaaboto

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