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Edwin · 05-18-2003, 02:59 PM

The mirror may be flawed, but the air between you and what you are looking at may be flawed, your eyes may be flawed, your brain may be flawed.

Why draw the line at some arbitrary point?

Darth Dane · 05-18-2003, 03:05 PM

The mirror may be flawed, but the air between you and what you are looking at may be flawed, your eyes may be flawed, your brain may be flawed.

Why draw the line at some arbitrary point?

True, so every one of our perceptions is flawed, but if Reality in and of it self is flawed, then that is the perfection of Reality.

DD - Love Spliff

ieyeasu · 05-18-2003, 04:03 PM

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Originally posted by Darth Dane
or use a couple mirrors.

Then you see only a reflection, it is your eyes through mirrors, mirrors are not the direct source of my eyes.

DD - Love Spliff

No, but it is an accurate description of what's there (or at least as accurate as anything your eyes see) because it is just a reflection of the light you are casting. Thus, it is possible to see light if you are its source, provided you have the correct tools.

Godot · 05-18-2003, 06:54 PM

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Originally posted by Darth Dane
Since my light comes from the eyes I have...

Uhh, hate to break it to you, but your eyes are receptors of light not some freakin' laser beams. Light originates from other sources and those random photons that pass through the iris and stimulate the retina provide the sensory stimulus that allows us to perceive our world.

Now to answer your statements in the OP: yes, yes, yes, and who cares?
How does this little bit of Taoism enmesh itself into your xian philosophy anyways?

Opera Nut · 05-18-2003, 09:52 PM

God is Love
Love is Blind
Ray Charles is Blind
Therefore, Ray Charles is God.

mongrel · 05-18-2003, 10:28 PM

Sounds to me like Darth Dane is implying the god of his mythology is not omniscient. It's kinda hard to be omniscient when you don't exist, I guess...

Darth Dane · 05-19-2003, 01:49 AM

Uhh, hate to break it to you, but your eyes are receptors of light not some freakin' laser beams. Light originates from other sources and those random photons that pass through the iris and stimulate the retina provide the sensory stimulus that allows us to perceive our world.

What lights up the sensory input you receive for the light?

If you close your eyes, and you don't "see", don't you see nothing?

What makes you able to "see" nothing? Conciousness? Is consciousness that which lights up your sensory input and your thoughts?

If my conciousness can see the world is imperfect, that humans have imperfect perceptions, isn't that perfect? To be able to see that which isn't perfect?

If I am perfect, how will I experience or "see" myself, if the reflection is perfect? I would think that the reflection was me, because it is perfect, yet we have determined that the reflection is not perfect. Then any reflection is imperfect, including our perception of God, universe, our selves? But we can see it is im-perfect. It is self referencing, the conciousness.

We use conciousness to perceive, and the perception is imperfect, yet conciousness is perfect. If we wanna express our selves, then teh expression will always be imperfect.

If God expressed Life, then life is im-perfect, but the perfect part of Life is conciousness itself, before it is expressed.

How does this little bit of Taoism enmesh itself into your xian philosophy anyways?

I was hoping you could tell me that!

Mongrel: Check my "card game" thread, that is how I understand omniscience, more or less. http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.p...threadid=53853

DD - Love Spliff

Ronin · 05-19-2003, 03:09 AM

Before I studied Zen, mountains were just mountains and rivers were just rivers.

When I first took up the study of Zen, mountains were no longer mountains and rivers no longer rivers.

But now that I've really got some understanding of Zen, mountains are once again mountains and rivers once again rivers.

lunachick · 05-19-2003, 03:18 AM

Te audire no possum. Musa sapientum fixa est in aure.

lunachick · 05-19-2003, 03:22 AM

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Originally posted by Opera Nut
God is Love
Love is Blind
Ray Charles is Blind
Therefore, Ray Charles is God.

I knew it!

As soon as I heard him sing Rainy Night In Georgia, I knew it to be the truth.

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05-18-2003, 02:59 PM	#11
Edwin Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: UK Posts: 77	The mirror may be flawed, but the air between you and what you are looking at may be flawed, your eyes may be flawed, your brain may be flawed. Why draw the line at some arbitrary point?

05-18-2003, 03:05 PM	#12
Darth Dane Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Required Posts: 2,349	The mirror may be flawed, but the air between you and what you are looking at may be flawed, your eyes may be flawed, your brain may be flawed. Why draw the line at some arbitrary point? True, so every one of our perceptions is flawed, but if Reality in and of it self is flawed, then that is the perfection of Reality. DD - Love Spliff

05-18-2003, 09:52 PM	#15
Opera Nut Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Houston TX Posts: 1,671	God is Love Love is Blind Ray Charles is Blind Therefore, Ray Charles is God.

05-18-2003, 10:28 PM	#16
mongrel Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: North of the South Pole Posts: 5,177	Sounds to me like Darth Dane is implying the god of his mythology is not omniscient. It's kinda hard to be omniscient when you don't exist, I guess...

05-19-2003, 01:49 AM	#17
Darth Dane Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Required Posts: 2,349	Uhh, hate to break it to you, but your eyes are receptors of light not some freakin' laser beams. Light originates from other sources and those random photons that pass through the iris and stimulate the retina provide the sensory stimulus that allows us to perceive our world. What lights up the sensory input you receive for the light? If you close your eyes, and you don't "see", don't you see nothing? What makes you able to "see" nothing? Conciousness? Is consciousness that which lights up your sensory input and your thoughts? If my conciousness can see the world is imperfect, that humans have imperfect perceptions, isn't that perfect? To be able to see that which isn't perfect? If I am perfect, how will I experience or "see" myself, if the reflection is perfect? I would think that the reflection was me, because it is perfect, yet we have determined that the reflection is not perfect. Then any reflection is imperfect, including our perception of God, universe, our selves? But we can see it is im-perfect. It is self referencing, the conciousness. We use conciousness to perceive, and the perception is imperfect, yet conciousness is perfect. If we wanna express our selves, then teh expression will always be imperfect. If God expressed Life, then life is im-perfect, but the perfect part of Life is conciousness itself, before it is expressed. How does this little bit of Taoism enmesh itself into your xian philosophy anyways? I was hoping you could tell me that! Mongrel: Check my "card game" thread, that is how I understand omniscience, more or less. http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.p...threadid=53853 DD - Love Spliff

05-19-2003, 03:09 AM	#18
Ronin Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Mississippi Posts: 5,047	Before I studied Zen, mountains were just mountains and rivers were just rivers. When I first took up the study of Zen, mountains were no longer mountains and rivers no longer rivers. But now that I've really got some understanding of Zen, mountains are once again mountains and rivers once again rivers.

05-19-2003, 03:18 AM	#19
lunachick Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: NZ Posts: 7,895	Te audire no possum. Musa sapientum fixa est in aure.

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