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arkirk · 08-12-2005, 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by UncleJim

That depends on who is right. And this depends on what is true. And this is found only within reality. If ones actions are determined by discovering what is true and then one acts only on that knowledge then one actions will be proper and proper actions result in happiness.

By knowing what is true and then by comparing these acts against that standard. The one who acts most consistently in accordance to what is true is the happiest.

As it is with all of man's relationships with reality the gauge of proper action is his life and its requirements with regard to its eternal physical survival.

Happiness is defined as being the emotion automatically experienced as one does; or when one realizes that one is able, to achieve the successful state of living.

When one recognizes that life has always existed: Then the concept of happiness must include this factor in its definition if it is to be considered a factually based (a true) definition.

Oh yes! I spend all of my time measuring my actions against standards and fine tuning my consistency. What does any of this have to do with Morals...
Whose standards? What is "proper" to the Amish seems stiff and homely to me. Give up on eternal physical survival. The cards are stacked misreably against this eventuality. The statistics the astronomers have been extrapolating for over two hundred years all suggest that the human species itself has a life expectancy...in terms of solar expansion and possibly other factors....that our species will ONE DAY END. Knowing this, now, rather than that we will exist forever in bliss in Heaven, can we still have something to guide us in life? I hope so. Is there such a thing as a good and satisfying life outcome? I hope so. It seems that we should not need assurances if we could only trust one another and if only so many of us did not hear voices.

The meaning of life is that it is like a bagel...a whole lot of something and a whole lot of nothing.

UncleJim · 08-15-2005, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by arkirk

Quote:

Originally Posted by UncleJim

That depends on who is right. And this depends on what is true. And this is found only within reality. If ones actions are determined by discovering what is true and then one acts only on that knowledge then one actions will be proper and proper actions result in happiness.

By knowing what is true and then by comparing these acts against that standard. The one who acts most consistently in accordance to what is true is the happiest.

As it is with all of man's relationships with reality the gauge of proper action is his life and its requirements with regard to its eternal physical survival.

Happiness is defined as being the emotion automatically experienced as one does; or when one realizes that one is able, to achieve the successful state of living.

When one recognizes that life has always existed: Then the concept of happiness must include this factor in its definition if it is to be considered a factually based (a true) definition.

Oh yes! I spend all of my time measuring my actions against standards and fine tuning my consistency. What does any of this have to do with Morals...
Whose standards? What is "proper" to the Amish seems stiff and homely to me.

If you don't know what you are doing then how do you know if the happiness resulting from your actions is true?

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Originally Posted by arkirk

Give up on eternal physical survival. The cards are stacked misreably against this eventuality. The statistics the astronomers have been extrapolating for over two hundred years all suggest that the human species itself has a life expectancy...in terms of solar expansion and possibly other factors....that our species will ONE DAY END. Knowing this, now, rather than that we will exist forever in bliss in Heaven, can we still have something to guide us in life? I hope so. Is there such a thing as a good and satisfying life outcome? I hope so. It seems that we should not need assurances if we could only trust one another and if only so many of us did not hear voices.

You "hope so." What is the basis of your hope? God!

What if you knew the truth about life and its requirements; what would you do next? What if you knew that god has a real human reference that exists as a natural aspect of your physical being how would that knowledge affect your thinking and the actions which naturally result?

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Originally Posted by arkirk

The meaning of life is that it is like a bagel...a whole lot of something and a whole lot of nothing.

This demonstrates that you have no idea what you are talking about. What if you actually knew what life is; how it operates and what your responsibilities relative to this knowledge are?

What if you actually knew what is true and how you could use it to the advantage of your life?

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