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CX · 01-03-2002, 02:08 PM

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Originally posted by turtonm:
Several times you mentioned the weight of Paul in the NT texts, so I thought you might know offhand. I wanted the numbers as ammo for an argument I'm responding to.

Hmmm...well I don't know the word counts, but 13 letters of the 27 documents in the NT are attributed to Paul. One gospel and Acts are attributed to a close personal friend and disciple of Paul so that's 15 of 27 decidedly Pauline documents right there 16 if you throw in Hebrews which Church Fathers thought was possibly written by Paul and is highly Pauline in flavor. That's more than half of the documents in the NT favoring Paul. Conversely Peter who was after all Jesus #1 guy and founded the church in Rome, has only a couple Letters and maybe a Gospel written down after the fact by his disciple John Mark. Plus we have all that controversy reported by Paul (though we don't get Peter's side at all) and the obvious tension of the 1, count it 1 letter by James, Jesus' own brother for crissakes, and his only representation in the canon. And Levi called Matthew a disciple of the number one guy himself and obviously educated and a talented writer. What do we get from him? 1 lousy gospel and he doesn't even put his name on it.

Detached9 · 01-03-2002, 02:54 PM

Thank you for the informative responses. I'll check out the links.

Kosh · 01-03-2002, 03:48 PM

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Originally posted by CowboyX:
 scholars believe GJn was written between 90 and 95 C.E. based, I think, on the idea that it was Presybyter John spoken of by Papias who wrote that gospel and not the apostle John, son of Zebedee.

Hopefully I'm remembering correctly here, but
wasn't it GJn that is dated to 90 because it
contains instructions for what Xians should do
if they're denounced in the Temple (something
the Romans asked the Jews to do in 90 so the
Xians couldn't claim protection as "jews")???

Kosh · 01-03-2002, 06:13 PM

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Originally posted by Kosh:


Hopefully I'm remembering correctly here, but
wasn't it GJn that is dated to 90 because it
contains instructions for what Xians should do
if they're denounced in the Temple (something
the Romans asked the Jews to do in 90 so the
Xians couldn't claim protection as "jews")???

Here's the part I was talking about (from
Peter's site):

Quote:

Kysar states concerning the dating of the Gospel of John: "Those who relate the expulsion to a formal effort on the part of
Judaism to purge itself of Christian believers link the composition of the gospel with a date soon after the Council of
Jamnia, which is supposed to have promulgated such an action. Hence, these scholars would date John after 90. Those
inclined to see the expulsion more in terms of an informal action on the part of a local synagogue are free to propose an
earlier date." (p. 919)

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Detached9 Regular Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Posts: 341	Thank you for the informative responses. I'll check out the links.

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