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Harumi · 09-04-2003, 06:57 AM

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Originally posted by Biff the unclean
Well that is the point. Our Liberals are always silent when a Fundy rants. Yet they have not problem speaking up to Humanists. They support the Fundies but since they smile while they do you think it's alright.

Then we atheists should speak out against other atheists who make preposterous claims toward any religion, don't you agree?

09-04-2003, 08:32 PM

Those who sell themselves to idols, irrespective of the shape of those idols, seek only the sleep of reason. Gods are bosses which can never be overthrown by the usual application of firearms or sanctions or elections. The way to destroy a god is to cut it down mercilessly, hacking off it's heads via political will and dissolving them with fact, reason and compassion.

It is abhorrent to me that so many people in our modern society reject the gifts of fact and reason and instead discard their freedom, self-amputating their existential agency to be spoonfed gruel by the merchants of superstition. Especially abominable when those elective slaves reject the superstitions of their parents as archaic and invent others which they feel enable them to be wholly human, carving new idols to cast the world into shadow. It indicates a denial of life. These people must be dragged from the Cave, for their own sakes and for the sake of our children.

Respectfully,

Grimly Fiendish.

09-04-2003, 08:36 PM

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Originally posted by Evolutionist
personally, although i can see how many would see removing religion as a good thing, i can't help imagining a hypothetical future where religion was removed over night. can you imagine the disasters that would quickly follow? there are people out there who honestly see nothing wrong with killing, and going on a riot etc when theres no god to make objective moral rules etc. assuming that they are honest about it, such a reality would be a nightmare.

The absence of religion will not lead to the absence of morality. We were not gifted morality by idols or book or trees. Morality is ours. We make it.

Respectfully,

Grimly Fiendish.

Harumi · 09-05-2003, 09:19 AM

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Originally posted by Grimly Fiendish
The way to destroy a god is to cut it down mercilessly, hacking off it's heads via political will and dissolving them with fact, reason and compassion.

That has got to be the most oxymoronic sentence I've ever seen.

You're starting the sound like the fundy Christians.

"You are a lying, evil soul with a tongue of a serpent and eyes of a demon, but I love you!"

The reason very few people believe in the Roman/Greek gods wasn't because they were all killed off with reason. It was replaced by other religions.

When communist China finally lifted away the ban that told the people they couldn't worship, millions flocked to the churches. People will always need comfort, and in order to get them away from faith, we need another comfortable, reasonable substitute.

Any suggestions? I was thinking Humanism, or if that can't be helped, even Buddhism. It is the closest atheistic religion I've experienced thus far, although that too has its kinks.

So the people who need faith are cowards. So? It's not your life. Let them be.

Of course, the idea is different for those trying to break down the wall between church and state, but I'm not talking about that right now. I'm merely talking about those people who just live a decent life, but believe in God.

Why do you guys have such a problem with it?

Rational BAC · 09-05-2003, 07:18 PM

Why do you guys have such a problem with it?

Moderation and tolerance are the best avenues to accomplish anything. We all do have to get along practically speaking.

I have always disagreed with Goldwater's "extremism is the best thing since fitted sheets if you are personally certain your shit don't stink" speech.

Biff the unclean · 09-05-2003, 07:41 PM

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Originally posted by Rational BAC
Why do you guys have such a problem with it?

Because it's the same awful fantasy based misanthropic religion that brought us the dark ages and the Inquisition etc. wrapped up in bright new happy packaging. The same lies, the same degrations but this time told with a happy faced "my buddy Jesus�" Pay no attention to the last two thousand years this is Brand New Lemon Fresh Christianity (as seen on TV)

Rational BAC · 09-05-2003, 07:51 PM

You do not think that most all Christians realize that mistakes have been made in the past Biff?

You do not think that Christianity today would not tolerate an Inquisition?-------(I know, a double negative but I think you know what I am saying.)

Christianity today is very mellow---very tolerant.

--(allowing of course for the relatively few Fundy Christians who make a whole bunch of noise------- but usually end up alienating not only atheists but most all mainstream Christians with their severity and intolerance.)

The sky is not falling for atheists. Mainstream Christianity is in no danger of giving in to the loony fringe.

09-07-2003, 01:52 AM

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Originally posted by Harumi
That has got to be the most oxymoronic sentence I've ever seen.

You need to read more.

The statement which you highlight contains no oxymorons. It's metaphor has complete internal congruence. The worst that may be accurately said of this statement is that it is a little on the purple side.

Respectfully,

Grimly Fiendish.

09-07-2003, 01:54 AM

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Originally posted by Harumi
You're starting the sound like the fundy Christians.

You may feel that is so yet it is not so. I use language as I choose. The use of metaphor is not restricted to fundamentalist christians.

Respectfully,

Grimly Fiendish.

09-07-2003, 01:56 AM

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Originally posted by Harumi
The reason very few people believe in the Roman/Greek gods wasn't because they were all killed off with reason. It was replaced by other religions.

I did not say that the GraecoRomano religions were banished by Reason. Get your facts straight, young man.

Respectfully,

Grimly Fiendish.

09-04-2003, 08:32 PM	#72
Grimly Fiendish Guest Posts: n/a	Re: What Can Cause the Death of Xianity? Those who sell themselves to idols, irrespective of the shape of those idols, seek only the sleep of reason. Gods are bosses which can never be overthrown by the usual application of firearms or sanctions or elections. The way to destroy a god is to cut it down mercilessly, hacking off it's heads via political will and dissolving them with fact, reason and compassion. It is abhorrent to me that so many people in our modern society reject the gifts of fact and reason and instead discard their freedom, self-amputating their existential agency to be spoonfed gruel by the merchants of superstition. Especially abominable when those elective slaves reject the superstitions of their parents as archaic and invent others which they feel enable them to be wholly human, carving new idols to cast the world into shadow. It indicates a denial of life. These people must be dragged from the Cave, for their own sakes and for the sake of our children. Respectfully, Grimly Fiendish.

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09-05-2003, 07:18 PM	#75
Rational BAC Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Tampa Bay area Posts: 3,471	Why do you guys have such a problem with it? Moderation and tolerance are the best avenues to accomplish anything. We all do have to get along practically speaking. I have always disagreed with Goldwater's "extremism is the best thing since fitted sheets if you are personally certain your shit don't stink" speech.

09-05-2003, 07:51 PM	#77
Rational BAC Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Tampa Bay area Posts: 3,471	You do not think that most all Christians realize that mistakes have been made in the past Biff? You do not think that Christianity today would not tolerate an Inquisition?-------(I know, a double negative but I think you know what I am saying.) Christianity today is very mellow---very tolerant. --(allowing of course for the relatively few Fundy Christians who make a whole bunch of noise------- but usually end up alienating not only atheists but most all mainstream Christians with their severity and intolerance.) The sky is not falling for atheists. Mainstream Christianity is in no danger of giving in to the loony fringe.

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