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theophilus · 06-03-2003, 02:35 PM

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This is just an assertion. Explain how knowledge of god can be gleaned through the world around us. What points to god and what does not? What does the kidnapping and murder of a child have to teach us about god?

This last question is sincere. I am curious as to what you believe this teaches us about god.

It is not an assertion; it is revelation. Romans 1:18 - 20, to be exact.

Wyz_sub10 · 06-03-2003, 02:38 PM

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Originally posted by theophilus
Books is books.

Really?

So the Koran and Bhagavad Gita are just as reliable as the Bible?

Interesting. I didn't know you were a polytheist.

Wyz_sub10 · 06-03-2003, 02:39 PM

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Originally posted by theophilus
It is not an assertion; it is revelation. Romans 1:18 - 20, to be exact.

It's a supposed revelation. Nothing more.

Besides, you didn't answer my question.

theophilus · 06-03-2003, 02:41 PM

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There is also a big difference between information from books that can be corroborated with other evidence, and information that is contradicted by other evidence.

I trust that most people understand this distinction.

This assumes, mistakenly of course, that all evidence is of the same sort.

Scripture, unlike other books, is not 'corroberated,' i.e., proven, by other evidence, since it is the authority by which other evidence is established or denied.

What extra-biblical"evidence" would corroberate the diety of Christ or the significance of his incarnation and crucifixion?

theophilus · 06-03-2003, 02:42 PM

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Originally posted by Wyz_sub10
It's a supposed revelation. Nothing more.

Besides, you didn't answer my question.

It is the objective basis for my statement, i.e., I didn't make it up.

What is the objective basis of your arguments?

theophilus · 06-03-2003, 02:44 PM

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Originally posted by Wyz_sub10
Really?

So the Koran and Bhagavad Gita are just as reliable as the Bible?

Interesting. I didn't know you were a polytheist.

So, Archie comics are just as reliable as The Origin of Species?

Interesting, I didn't know you were so thick.

theophilus · 06-03-2003, 02:49 PM

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Originally posted by Wyz_sub10
This is just an assertion. Explain how knowledge of god can be gleaned through the world around us. What points to god and what does not? What does the kidnapping and murder of a child have to teach us about god?

This last question is sincere. I am curious as to what you believe this teaches us about god.

The fact that you find something objectionable about the kidnapping and murder of a child tells us something about God because our sense of morality which can only be explained as an immaterial, i.e., spiritual, component of our existence. It tells us something about God because we are created in his image and our concern over such matter is a reflection of his character.

Or how do you explain your moral concern from a materialistic basis?

Mageth · 06-03-2003, 02:51 PM

I would say Archie comics are just as reliable as the Bible. Both belong in the category of fiction.

It is not an assertion; it is revelation. Romans 1:18 - 20, to be exact.

How do you know that what's written there is a revelation and not just someone's assertion?

Wyz_sub10 · 06-03-2003, 02:52 PM

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Originally posted by theophilus
So, Archie comics are just as reliable as The Origin of Species?

Interesting, I didn't know you were so thick.

This is your argument, not mine. You are the one saying "books is books". Do you deny that? Because you can look up a half-dozen posts and see it for yourself.

I am the one saying that books are not equal based on their content, purpose and validity - that Archie comics are not as reliable as Origin of the Species, and that the bible is not the same as a historical book on Cleopatra.

theophilus · 06-03-2003, 02:53 PM

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Well, no, that's only a problem if you believe that perception is the source of knowledge. Since Christians know that revelation is the prerequisiite for all knowledge, there is no disconnect.

How do they know that? Because it was revealed to them? And how do they know it was revealed to them? You've either got to have human perception at some point or you're stuck with an infinite regression of revelation.

Wrong. The nature of revelation is not empirical, it is spiritual. Merely observing a phenomenon does not explain its meaning. The miracles of the Bible are only significant because of the context of revelation in which they exist.

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Mageth Contributor Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Deep in the heart of mother-lovin' Texas Posts: 29,689	I would say Archie comics are just as reliable as the Bible. Both belong in the category of fiction. It is not an assertion; it is revelation. Romans 1:18 - 20, to be exact. How do you know that what's written there is a revelation and not just someone's assertion?

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