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Yellum Notnef · 03-05-2003, 08:29 AM

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Originally posted by Radorth

You also apparently erased the vitriol I saw last night relating to this totally innocent mistake. That is a hopeful sign I suppose.

It`s obviously a sign that you`re making shit up again because any vitriol that was there when I posted it would still be there now.
This board gives you something like 120 minutes to edit posts so it`s not possible to erase something you said the day before.

Nice try.

Family Man · 03-05-2003, 08:40 AM

Just to be clear, Radoth, I have no intention of joining your Travelling Distraction Show. In particular,

1. I don't need to compare you Schlessinger to conclude that you're rude.
2. I don't need to compare you to Graham to conclude that you're dishonest (in fact, I have no reason to think Graham is dishonest at all).
3. I don't need to compare you to Hitler to conclude that you're a terrible witness for your religion.

I don't need to compare you to anybody to conclude that you're arrogant and condescending. In fact, all I need to do is remember a thread where you turned my comment that Jesus used violent imagery (suggesting that Jesus wasn't as peaceful as Christians like to think) into a comment where I had Jesus leading a army of conquest. Or a comment from me that the history of early Christianity might have been more violent if it was born into the political and social conditions that Islam was born into -- that one you turned into a comment where I was allegedly turning Jesus into Mohammad. In both cases you were grossly and dishonestly misrepresentating what I was saying.

In fact, Radoth, I question if there has ever been a thread where you discuss an issue without tossing out inflammatory language early in the thread. Any thread where, when things get a little heated, you throw water instead of gas? I know I could for myself.

Yellum Notnef · 03-05-2003, 08:49 AM

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Originally posted by Radorth
No if I'm wrong you should say so. But in your case you just whine and moan and derail the thread- along with four other known vigilantes. Your intention here is simply to slander me, not correct mistakes

Oh really? Where is this magic world where you actually listen to people when they correct your "mistakes"?
I don`t know where that world is,but in this world Radorth ignores people who correct his "mistakes" and prefers that his bogus statements are left unchallenged. This way he can pull out the same lies and bullshit everytime a new person is foolish enough to attempt a serious debate with him.

Radorth · 03-05-2003, 08:51 AM

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Radorth, you still haven't given us any reasons why we should be taking your word for anything when it comes to Christianity.

I don't ask you to. In this thread I asked people to look at what would actually be required for them to fear God. Which is one reason I didn't carry on with BBT after he more or less answered.

So Fenton, was I intentionally quoting the wrong person, or does cynicism cloud your judgement and cause you to completely misread a person?

Please answer the question because your post amounts to slander IMO.

I wasn't "making up" anything. That is why I said "apparently" you erased it. I'll take you at your word and try to find it then. It will prove my point as well.

Guess what Fenton. We are all about equally frail and morally bankrupt, certainly in God's eyes. We've all lied and been hypocritical here and there. We've all made cynical interpretations and let our own stuff cloud our judgement. We all hold grudges and drag up ancient history when we are on the ropes. We've all looked for specks in the eyes of others while ignoring planks in our own eyes. We've all seen dark motives where there were none. All the things we see in others are in us, and that is all we can see until we at least realize the above.

And I'm sorry, but it seems to me only the Christian has a prayer of seeing it, for only s/he has any hope of feeling forgiven on a deep level without pitiful attempts at self-justification.

Rad

Radorth · 03-05-2003, 09:05 AM

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The quote you`re responding to here is NOT mine. Nice trick (you do this frequently),

Really? Give me some examples/quotes otherwise admit you are just once again being slandering me, in this case for a patently innocent mistake. You demanded I provide evidence of your misquotes which I will be happy to do if you want to keep this going.

Now if you want to admit that we're much the same per my above post, I'll just as happily drop it whether I agree or not.

Rad

Yellum Notnef · 03-05-2003, 09:07 AM

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Originally posted by Radorth

So Fenton, was I intentionally quoting the wrong person, or does cynicism cloud your judgement and cause you to completely misread a person?

Please answer the question because your post amounts to slander IMO.

Yep. Just like when somebody says that atheists here have told you that no Christians have ever done anything good.
I believe that too is called slander.

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I wasn't "making up" anything. That is why I said "apparently" you erased it. I'll take you at your word and try to find it then. It will prove my point as well.

Uh huh. You go do that.

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Guess what Fenton. We are all about equally frail and morally bankrupt, certainly in God's eyes. We've all lied and been hypocritical here and there. We've all made cynical interpretations and let our own stuff cloud our judgement. We all hold grudges and drag up ancient history when we are on the ropes. We've all looked for specks in the eyes of others while ignoring planks in our own eyes. We've all seen dark motives where there were none. All the things we see in others are in us, and that is all we can see until we at least realize the above.

And I'm sorry, but it seems to me only the Christian has a prayer of seeing it, for only s/he has any hope of feeling forgiven on a deep level without pitiful attempts at self-justification.

Well I guess this means that you`re not a Christian either.
An impromtu sermon won`t help you anymore right now than last nights crocodile tears about not hitting you when your down.

I never claimed to be perfect either,but you`ll notice that it`s not ME who is using dishonest and "morally bankrupt" tactics to pound away at a website I don`t agree with.

Radorth · 03-05-2003, 09:13 AM

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Just like when somebody says that atheists here have told you that no Christians have ever done anything good.

Boy you make a lot of hay out of honest mistakes, but then you apparently can't find anything else. In this case I admit that my error was made because of my own cynicism.

Of course we've heard statements made which were'nt far off of that either. I never said "atheists" either, did I? I was clearly referring to a specific quote, and so this is another example of you misquoting me right after you deny doing so.

Rad

Yellum Notnef · 03-05-2003, 09:18 AM

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Originally posted by Radorth
Really? Give me some examples/quotes otherwise admit you are just once again being slandering me, in this case for a patently innocent mistake. You demanded I provide evidence of your misquotes which I will be happy to do if you want to keep this going.

Now if you want to admit that we're much the same per my above post, I'll just as happily drop it whether I agree or not.

Rad

You are just dying to get one tiny little victory on any little unimportant point you can. As if this little unimportant victory will somehow balance everything out and diminish the crimes that you have rightfully been accused of.

I don`t have the time to go through all your 1500+ posts right now,but you have done it before. Not only that but you often include numerous quotes from numerous people in a single reply without any mention of who said what.

You want your little taste of victory? Take it. I retract (for now) what I said about you mixing up quotes on purpose.
Savour the flavour because I might have to take it back if I find the time and ambition to go through all your posts.

Yellum Notnef · 03-05-2003, 09:30 AM

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Originally posted by Radorth
Boy you make a lot of hay out of honest mistakes, but then you apparently can't find anything else. In this case I admit that my error was made because of my own cynicism.

You just have to keep going huh?
Sorry,but you`ll never convince me that this particular incident was an honest mistake. It was anything but honest and you know it.
I`ll just bide my time until the next time you make the same "honest mistake".

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Of course we've heard statements made which were'nt far off of that either. I never said "atheists" either, did I? I was clearly referring to a specific quote, and so this is another example of you misquoting me right after you deny doing so.

You might have said skeptics instead of atheists,but I don`t feel like looking.
It`s still the same thing and you were still referring to this site and the people on it.

We can`t read your mind to see what else you might be thinking of when you say certain things here. All we have are your words and we have to take them at face value.
I didn`t misquote you. I quoted exactly what you said and don`t see how that statement could be taken out of context.

But lets not forget that what you accused me of was misquoting you not only this one time,but AGAIN.
Guess you don`t listen to your own sermons.

Jack the Bodiless · 03-05-2003, 09:35 AM

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Heh. Yeah Jack your questions really scare me. I'm sorry. The last worthy question I saw came from Daggah, which I answered carefully. I'm sure my position on your question is quite clear by now, but if you want to repeat it, go ahead. I'm quite sure I've heard and answered it many times.

This is the issue that myself, Jayjay and Vicar Philip have all asked you (several times, in my case) to give a full reply to.

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What will YOU do if confronted by the reality of the Hindu gods? What will YOU say when Kali the Destroyer asks why you rejected Hinduism?

Will you fear her? Will you bow the knee and worship her? Will you REPENT?

I await your response!

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Sure if she turns out to have all the attributes of Jesus, took my sins upon herself and can do for me what Jesus has done, including imputing righteousness to me. As you know, I have very little.

Fat chance of that. As I said, I did not come to Christ with any fear, much as I knew about him already.

Me again:

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Not a particularly informative answer, Radorth.

I have assumed, for the sake of argument, that my own worldview is false and Christianity is true (subject to the usual confusion over what "Christianity" actually entails, given the confusion in the Bible and among Christian theologians).

Now it's your turn to assume that Christianity is false and Hinduism is true.

So forget everything about "taking your sins away" and "imputing righteousness". This isn't going to happen. You're now in a scenario in which the main gods are personifications of universal forces and principles, they don't care about petty human concerns. Only the lesser ones do, and they have you slated for reincarnation as a cockroach due to your rejection of Hinduism (much stronger than our mere unbelief in Hinduism: I'm coming back as a monkey, you need to work your way back up through the animal kingdom over centuries). But you've caught Kali's eye and she's considering torturing you for a while, and maybe biting a few legs off your cockroach form.

What do you have to say to her?

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Family Man Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Superior, CO USA Posts: 1,553	Just to be clear, Radoth, I have no intention of joining your Travelling Distraction Show. In particular, 1. I don't need to compare you Schlessinger to conclude that you're rude. 2. I don't need to compare you to Graham to conclude that you're dishonest (in fact, I have no reason to think Graham is dishonest at all). 3. I don't need to compare you to Hitler to conclude that you're a terrible witness for your religion. I don't need to compare you to anybody to conclude that you're arrogant and condescending. In fact, all I need to do is remember a thread where you turned my comment that Jesus used violent imagery (suggesting that Jesus wasn't as peaceful as Christians like to think) into a comment where I had Jesus leading a army of conquest. Or a comment from me that the history of early Christianity might have been more violent if it was born into the political and social conditions that Islam was born into -- that one you turned into a comment where I was allegedly turning Jesus into Mohammad. In both cases you were grossly and dishonestly misrepresentating what I was saying. In fact, Radoth, I question if there has ever been a thread where you discuss an issue without tossing out inflammatory language early in the thread. Any thread where, when things get a little heated, you throw water instead of gas? I know I could for myself.

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