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Old 07-21-2004, 07:09 AM   #31
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God knows. Oh shit, guys, please don't hate me, please don't............
That's it, you're getting your EAC membership revoked.

I find it funny that your username is Answerer, given the title of this thread.
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I mentioned one in response to the inevitable debate that took place on the original thread, and it makes sense here. Especially since no one, including the poster I was addressing, did offer an answer. Here goes.

All emotions are a recognition of a property that things or situations have. For instance, fear is a recognition of danger, laughter is a recognition of absurdity, etc. So the question is, What is the property we're recognizing when we feel awe? It's rational that there must be some such.

Note: The best candidate for an atheistic response is to say that it is mystery. But then you need to account for the awe felt at sunsets. Sunsets inspire awe in many people, but they aren't mysterious; I mean, how else is day goin g to become night?
Good question. I suspect that, as Kaiser_Soze suggested, the answer is beauty. Mystery is (or can be) a subset of beauty, because its indeterminacy allows us to fill in the blanks with our imaginations, which can defy logic, e.g. by positing simultaneous mutually exclusive "keys" or missing pieces to what we perceive, and thus exceed reality which would be limited to only one key. Surprise might also be a factor--something that "blows you away" usually does so because it is unfamiliar. Something that you are used to may evoke less awe.

The opposite emotion to awe might be disgust. What is disgust "about"? Ugliness. Something that was surprisingly revolting would evoke more disgust.
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"Why are you so angry at God?"
I'm not angry at God. It's His followers who irritate me.

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Old 07-21-2004, 09:35 AM   #34
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All emotions are a recognition of a property that things or situations have. For instance, fear is a recognition of danger, laughter is a recognition of absurdity, etc. So the question is, What is the property we're recognizing when we feel awe? It's rational that there must be some such.
I don't think emotions can be decomposed quite THAT simply. We have no divine creator, so there's no need for there to be some underlying rational order. They correspond to reality, very roughly, but it could well be happening in some complex and roundabout way. Evolution produces behaviors and forms that work, it doesn't matter HOW they do as long as they do.

As for what awe is... I would say it's an intense combination of curiosity and respect/fear for unfamiliar things. That's what I feel, anyway - we want to experience more of these things, until they become familiar.

This could have profound implications; did our ancestor's awe of fire allow them to tame it instead of fearing it like any other animal? I'd say, probably, but that's just conjecture.
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Question that often stymies me:

Why can't you just have faith?

This usually asked after I've given many, many, many reasons for not believing.
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"Why are you so angry at God?"
It's funny you should ask that. Because Sherlock Holmes and I were discussing that exact topic last week when we were playing poker with Tarzan.
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Empirical phenomena are not the alpha and the omega of my worldview. I find that my knowledge, if I have any, is rooted in experience, and my experience doesn't point to the existence of any deities.
Your experience is just the layman's term for empirical phenomena. If the only knowledge you are willing to entertain as such comes from your experience, you've clothed yourself in a limitation more profound than that of a straitjacket on a crazy man. (NB, I am not calling you a crazy man. To the contrary, I find your humility positively fetching!) -- Cheers, Albert the Traditional Catholic
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It's funny you should ask that. Because Sherlock Holmes and I were discussing that exact topic last week when we were playing poker with Tarzan.
LMFAO!

Was that before or after you drew your third royal flush?
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Your experience is just the layman's term for empirical phenomena. If the only knowledge you are willing to entertain as such comes from your experience, you've clothed yourself in a limitation more profound than that of a straitjacket on a crazy man.
I didn't see where Trendkill said that he wasn't "willing to entertain" anything else, he said he hasn't experienced anything else.

I love fiction.

Back to the OP, in the past I have found it hard to answer the "where is god? Just look around..." Not because it is hard to answer, but because it is baffling. Look around at what? Cars, computers, the space shuttle, science, electronics, glasses, inoculation, etc?
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Old 07-21-2004, 12:31 PM   #40
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"What happens to your soul when you die?"
surely someone has stated what it is that i am about to...(i didn't read through) but on the slight chance that it was not mentioned i will carry on...

if you asked an atheist what happens to a soul after death...they would laugh at you and tell you that they don't believe in souls....
i had a girl ask me what happened to a clone? does it have a soul? i proceeded, after laughing uncontrollably, to tell her that the majority of atheists do not believe in souls and i questioned her as to whether or not he had heard of my favorite razor.
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