The AntiChris

For your original question to make any sense whatsoever, it would have to be based on a single definition (your definition) of "sexually exploited".

What you seem to be saying is that you were, in fact, asking 2 questions:

1. What is your definition of sexual exploitation of children?

and

2. Using your (personal) definition, should children be sexually exploited?

If this is what you intended, then this thread is nothing more than an information collecting exercise and not a discussion of moral issues.

Chris

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Amos

I have to disagree with this not because they are not our relatives but because what you call "philosophical bullshit" is the only thing that separates us from Bonobo's and if we reject this we will soon be acting like apes. Like vines in our bedrooms maybe?

Amen-Moses

That is the point, not only do we act like apes we are apes, in fact we are a lot closer in behavioural terms than we like to admit.

Strangely enough until very recently many psychologists studying behavioural patterns preferred to use Baboons in their studies rather than the closer relatives purely because it was easier to distance themselves whilst still studying the few similarities. Of course Baboons have a brain size closer to a dog than a human whilst Bonobos are far closer to us than to Baboons.

Amen-Moses

Mad Kally

You didn't mention masturbation. Isn't that an option?

Ted Hoffman

Mad Kally

You didn't mention masturbation. Isn't that an option?

It is?

Amen-Moses

As long as he isn't thinking about his wife at any rate.

Amen-Moses

Mad Kally

Intensity,
I remember you saying in the past that you have never masturbated, not even once. Would you choose?

A) To have sex with a woman unable to give consent
B) Masturbate
C) Do without

faded_Glory

I have been reading this thread and trying to understand where the various sides are coming from.

It would help my understanding if Amen-Moses would be kind enough to answer these questions:

Suppose I (48 year old male) walked up to you at the time when your children were around the age of 10, and asked you if you would object to me having sex with one of them.

What would you say/ do to me, and why?

Thanks,

fG

Ted Hoffman

If she is that "disabled" maybe she would need experts to take care of her while I would visit - so I dont end up wrecked by seeing her suffering daily, and mixing taking care of her and my career. Or I could hire some househelp to help me take care of her. Better yet...

I beleive I would be perfectly capable of getting a woman who loves me and who can help me take care of her and help me deal with the trauma of having a "disabled" wife.

I could perhaps marry this woman (having two wives is perfectly normal here in Kenya). Because I know someone who loves me will not be "betrayed" if I pursue my own happiness with another when I can't have it with her in a proper context. The important thing would be to avoid any behaviour that would make her feel "betrayed", "cheated on" etc.

But I don't beleive my life would grind to a halt just because the person I married can't function sexually. Celibacy is a choice I would consider though (perspectives change with time) - but I don't think consigning myself to a stoic life of suffering and shared misery would make her mental situation, or the quality of her life any better. Perhaps seeing me sad would only make her guilty for "ruining" my life, or letting me down or failing me.

Its a tough question.

But I wouldn't abandon her. Or neglect her.

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Ted Hoffman

Faded Glory,

I think you, like others, have totally (and perhaps intentionally) misunderstood us.
I DO NOT advocate for the sexual use of children. I hate it and abhor it. But my question is - why? Is there some logical reason for this intolerance of padeophiles?
Can I justify my loathing of all forms of sexual use of children? Or has the society taught me to abhor it without telling me why?

This thread is a quest for a rational basis of this loathing we preserve for padeophiles.

Because if we cant find one, then we are a very irrational lot indeed. In fact, we cant claim to be moral any more than the padeophile himself.

Suppose I (48 year old male) walked up to you at the time when your children were around the age of 10, and asked you if you would object to me having sex with one of them.

What would you say/ do to me, and why?


I would incredulously ask you: "WHAT??!!!!" &lt;as I reach for my phone and start dialing&gt;