Godless Wonder

ok, I'll bite.

Of course it is the same. I can whistle 6 notes of a tune, or play those 6 notes on guitar, or piano. In each case, you could tell me, "Ahh, I recognize that tune! That's Yankee Doodle."

You can identify it in each case, so in each case it is "the same"

If a page depcits a story printed in helvetica, and another page depicts the same letters, punctuation etc, in the same order, but in Times-Roman, is it not still the same story?

Unless you are playing word games and mean something else by "same."

So what's your point?

beastmaster

It's the same musical composition and performance, but it's a different musical experience.

Shadowy Man

Well, it depends on the speakers. The intensity of the signal going to the speakers can cause them to be driven to saturation. This will effect the sound emanating, and will probably be frequency dependent, thus changing the quality of the notes.

Also, you might get a saturation effect in your ears as well, further distorting the notes.

These effects will alter the sound of the music and may also affect your enjoyment of it.

Darth Dane

Godless:

Would the experience be different if it is played by a clarinet as opposed to a piano?

Would it be the same piece of music from a different angle?

Would the mood be different even slightly?


It's the same musical composition and performance, but it's a different musical experience.

Well said.

Shadowy man:

Nice points, meaning the music could be distorted a bit right?
So it is almost, but not quite, entirely unlike the original piece of music.



The range in which we can hear the music is also broadened right?






DD - Love & Laughter

Godless Wonder

Would you not recognize the tune on clarinet? It all hinges on what is meant by "same", which has yet to be defined. Of course all of the performances are distinguishable from one another. If you mean by "same", indistinguishable, then no, they are not the same. If you mean by "same", recognizable as a particular tune (e.g. they are all the same first six notes of Yankee Doodle"), then they are the same. If you mean by "the same" that they are the literal words "t-h-e s-a-m-e", then no they are not the literal words "t-h-e s-a-m-e". The only thing non-obvious about all of this is what the point of the OP is. Yet to be revealed, or possibly non-existent, I guess.

Darth Dane

So it is the same notes but they somehow sound different.


Good, so about the range. I mean the distance.

The louder we play the longer distance it can be heard from, and thus more people can hear it.

The analogy is becoming more lucid.


What analogies can be drawn at this point, if you see any?



Edit: on another board I reached this conclusion:

Everything is a point on a scale subject to change and control

Should clarify some things.





DD - Love & Laughter

phil

Only if we know what you're trying to make an analogy to. If I say "__________ is like water flowing through a pipe" what am I talking about? What is the analogy to? Do you want to help us out here?

-phil

Diabolical Vengeance

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Darth Dane
[B]What happens when the music gets louder, apart from being louder? What is the effect of louder music?



Since extreme metal is one of the genres of music that i appreciate i believe i can answer (note: korn, fart factory et al are NOT extreme metal )

When music is louder the little intricacies of music become much clearer, it stimulates the adrenalin glandes and makes you more excitable, more susceptiblae to the passions of music, it affects you more deeply for you become completely surrounded by the music, with music at a louder volume you are less likely to be distracted and hence you are able to experiemce the music more. However you don't necessarily need 10 000$ sound system for this, a good pair of earphones can accomplish the same thing.

LOUDER =BETTER (I don't care what my neighbors say!)

DoubleDutchy

No, it isn't. Music is music and not noise because of its psychological impact. (Which means that my music can be your noise vice versa, and that strictly spoken no piece of music can ever be the same twice, but that's another story).
In my experience the impact can be rather different, depending on volume. Brahm's violin concerto part two would be killed by hearing it to loudly, Bach's toccata and fugue in f or Bruch's violin concerto have to be felt in the stomach to work properly.

I have no idea what you are up to, if this is not what you were waiting for just leave it, no hard feelings.

pmurray

"Volume is tone."
-- Edward Van Halen