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Talulah · 03-01-2002, 08:26 AM

Give me a break....

Muad'Dib · 03-01-2002, 09:14 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kosh:
"I think maybe you do not know the meaning of
that word" - Princess Bride

Close--it's

"You keep using that word--I do not think it means what you think it means."
-Inigo Montoya

Talulah · 03-01-2002, 09:25 AM

Matthew 3:7 "But when he SAW many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?"

Matthew 3:16 "And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he SAW the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him"

Matthew 5:1 "And SEEING the multitudes, he went up into a mountain: and when he was set, his disciples came unto him"

Matthew 8:14 "And when Jesus was come into Peter's house, he SAW his wife's mother laid, and sick of a fever."

Matthew 8:18 "Now when Jesus SAW great multitudes about him, he gave commandment to depart unto the other side."

I got tired of looking, I think I made my point. The bible says Jesus could see, anything else is in your head.

[ March 01, 2002: Message edited by: Talulah ]

Kosh · 03-01-2002, 10:35 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Muad'Dib:


Close--it's

"You keep using that word--I do not think it means what you think it means."
-Inigo Montoya

Isn't it amazing? This is one of my favorite
movies. I own it on DVD, I've watched it many
times. And yet, (and this is common among people) my mind
still distorts the lines.

And still, Xians will claim that they preserved
a perfect oral tradition (or is it just Meta who
claims that) for nearly 100 years...

Paradisedreams2 · 03-01-2002, 10:51 AM

Ok Kosh,

Maybe you could enlighten me pal lol!

[ March 01, 2002: Message edited by: Paradisedreams2 ]

Paradisedreams2 · 03-01-2002, 10:54 AM

I got tired of looking, I think I made my point. The bible says Jesus could see, anything else is in your head.

Talulah,

Not physical sight. You can still see a parable but seeing you see NOT.

So even Christ says theres a way of seeing and not really getting it. He doesn't speak of physical blindness in regards to Christ, thats kind of obvious. lol!

The whole of what you call the bible includes what the old testament says because if all things are summed up in Christ, and the old prophesied of Christ (as Christ Himself said) Then The Perfect Servant who opened the eyes of the blind and the ears of the deaf was in fact the person of the gospels Christians believe in. You have to "deal" with the verses not explain them away. So Christ is shown as Blind (not physically) but Blind.

Is there another who is considered Perfect? Or another who has opened the eyes of the blind? Or another who opened the ears of the deaf? I think its obvious of whom they speak.

But lets not look at it straight in the face it could be considered an "offense"

[ March 01, 2002: Message edited by: Paradisedreams2 ]

davidH · 03-01-2002, 02:49 PM

Quote:

More or less. OT prophecies are vague enough that it's often hard to say what they refer to; and it's not obvious that all passages quoted as propheces actually are (for instance, Psalm 22).

Tell me which parts are so vague that they are made to fit into the cruficition of Jesus? Also tell me who else in the Bible they apply to if they are so vague.
Are they really so vague.

Note: Just because u have read them many times doesn't mean that everyone else has.

davidH · 03-01-2002, 02:54 PM

Quote:

Uh huh. If he wasn't allowed to come back, how
do you know? Oh yeah, Jeebus told that one, right?

"That' ridiculous. If he was dying he wouldn't
have written auuuuuuuuuuuugggggggggggghhhhhhh,
he would have just said it!"
- Monty Python's Holy Grail

Of course, this is exactly the type of manipulative response you would expect from a
con job.

What do you mean? Who was dying?
Read the parable Jesus told Luke 16 v 19-31. Maybe that will enlighten you a bit.

Malaclypse the Younger · 03-01-2002, 04:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kosh:
"That' ridiculous. If he was dying he wouldn't
have written auuuuuuuuuuuugggggggggggghhhhhhh,
he would have just said it!"
- Monty Python's Holy Grail

Of course, this is exactly the type of manipulative response you would expect from a
con job.

excreationist · 03-01-2002, 05:00 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by davidH:
Why would people of that time believe in the ressurection of the dead, surely that would be totally obserd to them!

Any kind of life after death was foolishness to the Sadducees, who were a group which most priests at that time belonged to. The Pharisees on the other hand, believed in life after death, as well as everyday divine intervention and angels and demons.

03-01-2002, 09:25 AM	#43
Talulah Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Beautiful Colorado Posts: 682	Matthew 3:7 "But when he SAW many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?" Matthew 3:16 "And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he SAW the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him" Matthew 5:1 "And SEEING the multitudes, he went up into a mountain: and when he was set, his disciples came unto him" Matthew 8:14 "And when Jesus was come into Peter's house, he SAW his wife's mother laid, and sick of a fever." Matthew 8:18 "Now when Jesus SAW great multitudes about him, he gave commandment to depart unto the other side." I got tired of looking, I think I made my point. The bible says Jesus could see, anything else is in your head. [ March 01, 2002: Message edited by: Talulah ]</p>

03-01-2002, 10:51 AM	#45
Paradisedreams2 Regular Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Pa Posts: 113	Ok Kosh, Maybe you could enlighten me pal lol! [ March 01, 2002: Message edited by: Paradisedreams2 ]</p>

03-01-2002, 10:54 AM	#46
Paradisedreams2 Regular Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Pa Posts: 113	I got tired of looking, I think I made my point. The bible says Jesus could see, anything else is in your head. Talulah, Not physical sight. You can still see a parable but seeing you see NOT. So even Christ says theres a way of seeing and not really getting it. He doesn't speak of physical blindness in regards to Christ, thats kind of obvious. lol! The whole of what you call the bible includes what the old testament says because if all things are summed up in Christ, and the old prophesied of Christ (as Christ Himself said) Then The Perfect Servant who opened the eyes of the blind and the ears of the deaf was in fact the person of the gospels Christians believe in. You have to "deal" with the verses not explain them away. So Christ is shown as Blind (not physically) but Blind. Is there another who is considered Perfect? Or another who has opened the eyes of the blind? Or another who opened the ears of the deaf? I think its obvious of whom they speak. But lets not look at it straight in the face it could be considered an "offense" [ March 01, 2002: Message edited by: Paradisedreams2 ]</p>

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