Radorth

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We are asuming for the sake of argument that the Bible is so, JUST AS YOU DO, when making a negative argument. Or are the rules different for Christians?

Why no. I'm convinced God can save anybody and when he does, the world is a much better place than your philosophy will ever make it.

I reject religion as well, but when God offers miracles and a new nature instead, some very irreverent folks become theists. We are talking about a once severely abused and vulnerable 12 year old girl here, whose future is generally prostitution- not a grown man who lived in one or two homes, had two natural parents and wised up long after his bones hardened.

I see very little to compare here.

Rad

Stephen T-B

Sorry for being inane, Radorth.

The point of my post - (the most irrelevant in 15 years, eh? Some sort of record there, I expect) and which your wrath at my inanity caused you to overlook - was to find out which bits of what Christians claim to be true matter so little that they can be ignored.
You may not think this important, but it is important or Christians wouldn’t have spent around 2,000 years quarrelling with each other about it.

Interestingly, you changed your mind later on and said: “If everything written in the Creed which we have faith in, turns out to be true..”

Everything or most of...?
No. don’t answer that. I’m being inane again. Sorry,

Stephen T-B

(Just had an idea, Rad...
In order to lend your chastisements a more magisterial quality, would it help to know that one of my surnames is Biscoe? Then you’ll be able to write things like “You’re a disgrace to these boards, Biscoe.” Or: “One more inane post from you, Biscoe, and you’re in detention. Is that clear?”)

Stephen T-B

This struck me:
“I'm convinced,” wrote Radorth, “God can save anybody...”

I suppose this means God can save even me? But He’s taking his time. I offered him my life on a plate 40-odd years ago and he was either busy saving drug addicts or decided my life wasn’t any use to him because he let me go and I’ve been slipping farther and farther away ever since, and if he doesn’t do something pretty damn quick I’ll be dead and then it’ll be too late.

“Biscoe” he says with appropriate severity addressing my incorporeal essences: “You stopped believing in Me on June 10, 1983 at approximately 8.55am – Gabriel took a note of the time but his record-keeping is notoriously unreliable - and your punishment is to spend eternity in the flames of hell.”

“But...but,” the essences begin pathetically.

“Well, what is it? I’m busy saving drug addicts, so be quick.”

“There’s a chap I know called Radorth who said You could save anybody. Can I ask why You didn’t You save me?”

“You can ask, but I’m not telling you.
“ Did he also mention that I am incomprehensible, inexplicable, unknowable, inscrutable and above all, very very mysterious? Those are the bits I like best about Myself.
“Have a nice day.”

(Sorry. Being inane again.)

lpetrich

Radorth:
Well, yes. Where is God's great fault again? And if he said that was the best he could do with the weather, you would complain or not?

And why are we supposed to take that absurd Panglossian "possibility" seriously? An omnimax being can create a realm with perfect weather, otherwise it would not be omnimax. If it's roughly based on our current Universe, then it may take a few miracles to maintain, but that would be no difficulty for an omnimax being.

To see why, one ought to consider whether there is bad weather in Heaven.

I wish to note that Islam is more explicit about this, stating that the Islamic Paradise has no extremes of temperature, which suggests an absence of bad weather.

And what I said about bad weather can be said about other kinds of natural disasters -- an omnimax being could keep them from happening, and they are presumably absent from Heaven.

Really, do you have a link to back up this suspiciously general assertions?

Radorth, get a clue as to what your kind likes to say about natural disasters. Either you are historically illiterate or you are deliberately being obtuse. Consider what Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson said about the 9/11 kamikaze hijackings.

What if he told you that, in 600 years an asteroid would hit the earth and wipe out all life? Would you call him a bad God?

An omnimax being would find it no trouble to keep an asteroid from hitting the Earth. Is it any more difficult than parting the Red Sea or making the Sun and Moon appear to stop moving just so Joshua could win some of his battles?

And are there dangerous asteroids in Heaven?

What I'm getting at here is that God does not have to live up to skeptics' vague and subjective definitions of "omnimax" to be good, or even to be thanked.

Vague and subjective my rear end. Radorth, you ought to consider why you are so obtuse about this issue.

I have no doubt he will demonstrate powers some skeptics pray he doesn't have, in time.

Dream on.

lpetrich

Radorth:
Why no. I'm convinced God can save anybody and when he does, the world is a much better place than your philosophy will ever make it.

I have no respect for an allegedly omnimax being who runs off and hides somewhere.

I reject religion as well,

Radorth the Irreligious, ha ha.

(alleged miracles...)

I will take them seriously when the miracles of other religions make Radorth convert to them.

Radorth

Your kind? What is that exactly? Have I once ever said I agree with Falwell or Robertson about 9/11?

Ah, so we weren't talking about natural disasters, but man-made ones as I suspected. You were merely extrapolating and assuming what an enormous body of people cynically labeled "your kind" must believe about all disasters.

Hopefully Daggah won't see your post, because he says if you misquote anyone, you are a liar. (Well the Christians, anyway). He will doubtless demand a link as well.

Rad

Radorth

Re: Ip

I can only imagine what you think of our deist founders, especially Paine, who worshipped the most apathetic Creator I've ever heard of. His God was a real do-nothing compared to say, Washington's God, who was rather busy during the Revolutionary War.

You have four separate stories of an earthly being working miracles and imputing righteousness for merely "willing to do his will"?

OK, I gotta see those. I never liked the sermon on the Mount anyway. I want a savior who can make me feel really righteous. Muhammed could, but he only worked one miracle, unfortunately and even he didn't call it one or ever claim to work one. Then there's Buddhism, which helps you feel sinless no matter what you do, but the Buddha personally disclaimed miracles and their value.

OK I give up. Whatcha got?

Rad

Hedwig

Actually, Radorth, I remember members of the religious right (I think it was Falwell, but I can look it up for you...it'll just take some searching) commented that because Disney offered "Gay Day" at Disneyworld God has sent more hurricanes it's way. Again, I can look it up if you wish.

Radorth

Please do, and find a similar quote from myself, or any Christian who posts here, if you are going to defend statements containing the phrase "your kind."

Rad