lulay

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Any way, NATURE:

i am not wanting to start a mystery religion of mystical sect. i am as straight up as you like.

i am VERY awre that we as a species, especially under Western domination, have separated from Nature. i am understanding our main source of healing this vast, absolutely devastatig psycholigical rift, we NEEd what our ancestors got for inspiration,
relationship with hallucinogenic vegetation, and substances

I am not advocating "getting fucked2 which many new-generation Trippers understand a 'relationship' with psychdelics. not at all. i am also not adovcating strict regulated rituals. just DEEP respect for our need to open up to Nature and out own organisms.........it is a relationship, because you and the particular hallucinogen MEEt each other. it is not necessarily 'doing' it to you. you have to BRING something...RESPECT......same as when you talk to someone. dont attack the person. explore the argument

Dhaeron

Why does this "vast, absolutely devastatig psycholigical rift" need healing at all? What's so devastating about it?

ashe

Perhaps another, better, question is whether such a rift actually exists. ie, are we really separated from nature? Aren't we natural?

truthie

In other words, take hallucinogenic in order to get in contact with nature?

This seems like a method to escape.
Can't we just admire nature for the way it is, just is?
In a more realistic way...
Heck, I admire my brother for what he is..

Like Ashe asked, T.

Sturmrabe

well for one thing hallucenogens aren'tneede to mend the rift, meditation and introsepction are, as i have said before taking drugs is liek cheating to enlightenment, any thing a drug can do fo ryou your brain has glands that can do it on its own if you know how to train it...

"aren't we natural"?

simply, NO

we are not part of the food chain as we once were... not we have mass produced meat farms with chickens stacked 10 high

our cunsumption of natural resources has reached a point of unsustainability

do you think cars are whats going to be wrong if we use up all the oil?

no way hose, its PLASTICS! without plastics we'll be back the the 1800's in a flash, and don't say "recycling" because there are only so many things you can do with recycled plastics, and eventually it becomes useless

people fight or flight instincts have been so dulled that people staer dumbly as death rushed to meet them instead of bolting or fighting back to save themselves

we have insulated ourselves from nature... and the more mdoernized a country has become the more of its population will die upon any climactic upheavel of civilization

Shven

The Earth would be equally happy looking like her sister Venus. We on the other hand, wouldn't

Shven

truthie

That does not have anything to do with the OP, which regards the use of hallucinogens in order to get "in contact with nature," not taking care of the environment.

Humans are part of nature.

T.

Shven

I was merely expressing the POV that we should respect Nature and the Earth for our own benifit - not any other reason.

lulay

some of the reponses here seem to inquiring what the problem IS, and further ask but aren't we already natural, so waht's the problem i don't see it-"

sure. that's true. if you DON'T see it, then you don't. I DO. i am feeling it very much, as many others are....MILLIONS over the globe.`poverty, no clean water, food, etc etc

we can't surely be apathetic with our mod cons and relatively comfortable lifestyles (SOME of 'us) in the Weast, and saw "awww, what's up maaaan?" can we?

some one else --Sturmtrabe' said, hallucinogens aren't the answer, it is meditation and training the glands to become more enlightened or whatever

so why am i emphasizing HALLUCINOGENS for the sole symbiotic purpose of bringing us closer to Nature again?
First, cause it did so for me...secondly friends it's done same for, and also the stuff i've read which goes into the history and mythology of this subject, the research inspired by my original experience with LSd when quite young

Hallucingenic inspiration is the EASIESt route to ecstasy. so why take the bus when you can take the
plane.

Meditation although some people really take to it, and there are exotic religions that advocate it is not for everyone. many meditate for hours and basically just sit eyes shut, life passing them by. when all outside are trees, birds, bees, clouds, sex, fun. yet there they sit with eyes shut like stone buddhas....heh i have a lot to say bout this. BUT i dont ridicule it if that's what you want. i challenge it being lorded over hallucinogenic experience though, and claim it was a replacemnt for it, and an elitist one at that. and not guranteed to give ecstatic experience neither

i am advocating ecstatic orgia.....the opening of our bodyminds in abandon. the relesing of emotions, rigidity

this is whay we aren't really natural when we don't even--aren't even aware of the danger we are in.

hows the weather in your neck of the woods. there have been some pretty dire things happnin here with the weather. we are all of us contributing to this. and the main thing is it is happening because we have all become apart from Nature. to say you don't even SEe this is evidential OF this

Uncle Ants

Respect for Nature also shows respect for ourselves as part of Nature.

On the subject of drugs - not much to add - except that it strikes me the use of hallucinogens and the use of meditation can produce a similar result - the differences are that the use of meditation is far better controlled (no one ever had a bad trip when meditating so far as I know) but a lot more difficult.

Personal experience of hallucinogens is limited (a little acid in the long and distant) and it didn't make me feel closer to Nature - although admittedly I didn't set out to do that when I took it - so that may go some way to explaining. A night out under the stars with just yourself for company, or actually getting out of town into a more natural environment to sit and ponder does it a lot better. (mind you a spliff or two does sometimes help in this regard )

Frankly though on a more practical level - trying to reach a better understanding of the natural world and the processes in it through study - understanding the impact of your actions upon the Earth - understanding where your food comes from or even better growing some of your own - the impact of your lifestyle etc. has got to be more fruitful than taking drugs in order to "feel" at one. I'd suggest the aim should to BE at one with Nature and understand your place in it rather than just feel it.

Just my opinion.