BadBadBad

Resurrection into what? We're talking about dying and going to hell. You said I'll die, and that I'll "rest" in hell. Then I'll die again forever. However you want to term that. So let me ask you directly. Does my soul "live" on for eternity beyond this "Second Death" you're talking about?

BadBadBad

I agree. Here are a few more choice phrases about hell:

every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. (you don't just die, you're hewn down)

he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire (not just lake of fire but unquenchable fire)

fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. (not body first, then rest, then second death. God destroys body and soul in Hell. You won't make it to a second death)

it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire. (not death, not rest until the second death, but everlasting fire)

Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels (again, everlasting fire with the devil)

And these shall go away into everlasting punishment

cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:

the chaff he will burn with fire unquenchable.

And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.

cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

inquisitive01

Apparently not.


Brettc, if you're going to put "choice phrases" here, could you at least say which translation (KJV, NIV, NLT, etc.) you're using and also state what Book, Chapter, and Verse(s) you are referring to?

Btw, an "unquenchable fire" suggests to me (if "fire" is truly fire, and not standing for something such as justice... see all the possible definitions of "fire") that this fire will not be able to be put out or stopped by humans. Also, it doesn't say "God will destroy the body and soul in hell," but says He is "able to destroy the body and soul in hell."

BadBadBad

That brings up lots of questions. So how does my immaterial soul just cease to exist? What happens to my soul between my death and the final judgement? What is the purpose of my soul's existence between death and the final judgement? If I have a finite soul and I won't be punished eternally in hell, what is the purpose of my existence? I'm going to have to open another thread on that one.

I think you've got all the work to do here, and I'm just not interested or qualified to play word games with you. I'm reading the Bible the way it's been understood for hundreds of years. I think it's obvious what the Bible says, but I can certainly understand why you've worked so hard to interpret it a different way.

BadBadBad

Inquisitive, I'd appreciate if you could follow this line of discussion in my thread Why exist separate from God. My thoughts on this are somewhat summed up there, and I've just posted a couple of questions I'd like you to think about.

Newton Joseph

[QUOTE=WilliamB]Since Hell is imaginary, its definition varies from person to person, from Christian to Christian. A person with no sense of decency whatsoever, like the famous Jonathan Edwards for instance, will see Hell in a particularly nasty way:

Hell is not the place all people imagine


GO TO HELL*
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There are millions of people who have been very naughty and will not make their way into heaven. Go to hell! Enterprise is selling large air-conditioned condominiums at a very low price of $666. While you are in Hell we at Go to Hell! Enterprises have only one goal, to make your afterlife pleasurable. We regret there has been very negative descriptions about Hell. They are all lies just for scaring the Hell out of you. Go to Hell! Enterprise is owned and operated by little Devils (we are sometimes known as Satan. We here at Go to Hell! Will give you all that was denied to you on earth. All that you get here in Go to Hell! is Free. We have been portrayed as being very wicked and mean. The cause of our character assassination is because we offer good times when you Go to Hell instead of the boring time you would sure to have in that other place. We offer you all the ice-cold beer you can drink. And all the juicy fat covered steaks you can eat and ice cream galore. Those of you who are thieves steal as much as you want. In Go to Hell! There is no such thing as crime. Psychopaths you can act out all of your anti social behavior without the fear. You will never be caught. To all criminals, commit all the crime you want every crime is a perfect crime in Go to Hell!
Men you know were bad girls go. Go to Hell! Have bad girls of all sizes and shapes we have millions of bad girls. Women are you looking for that special man? We at Go to Hell! Have men that will satisfy the most discriminating woman. Christians we give you extra special service because it was you that gave us so much free publicity. If you are here because you used gods name in vain here in Go to Hell! You can curse god as much as you like. In fact, we encourage you to do so. Here in Go to Hell! there is no such thing as adultery, wife or husband swapping is encouraged just for fun.
We welcome all Christians who have sinned. While you are here in Go to Hell! You can sin as much as you like. According to Catholic dogma, there are seven mortal sins. Here at Go to Hell! You can be as gluttonous, full of avarice , slothful, prideful, and covetous, or even envy, as you like and we encourage you to be lustful and if you are angry, we give you all the support you need. We want to give you one Hell of a good time. You Christians never thought you would end up here the reason that you are is because of your pretend piety but have no fear we at Go to Hell! will see to it that you enjoy your eternity here. It should be obvious that there will be more fun in Go to Hell! So rejoice that your sinning brought you here to Go to Hell!.
Yours truly,
Satan, and you can Go to Hell!
*Go To Hell! Is owned by Dr. Newton Joseph. Recorded/filed in official records. Recorder's office Los Angeles County California 10:41 am Jan 07 2000 #00-0028110

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inquisitive01

We don't know the answers to questions regarding the soul. However, since God is "able" to destroy the soul, then one might get something out of that.

Anyway, it seems to me you're just "making up" questions as we go along . . . like this is some sort of game to you perhaps?

ten to the eleventh

I think the eye rolling is a little rude, there, Inquisitive01. Question-asking is what we freethinkers tend to do, and the more profound the topic, the more questions we ask. We do this because we seek clarity of thought and comprehension. When we can help it, we do not allow fear to motivate us.

That is why Brettc keeps asking questions. He hasn't been satisfied with your answers, and he hopes that you'll keep explaining and clarifying until he does. Freethinkers cannot be satisfied to take such things on faith or authority, you see. So try to understand, and remain polite. If it helps, view our inquisitiveness and need for reason as a weakness, and try to keep your role model in mind.

ten to the eleventh

Edit: I think the words of Jesus as related in Matthew 5 obligate you to be patient with our questions and to offer your best response.

ten to the eleventh

Here's another question: On what basis do you claim that one cannot "change their mind?" I am genuinely curious. Please be patient with me.

ten to the eleventh

inquisitive01

I appreciate your politeness, but I'm not sure I agree about Brettc's continuing (and closely-related-in-tone) questions. Maybe Brettc is simply confused regarding the answers or something, but it is also possible that Brettc is just "yanking chains," so to speak.




I don't know of any particular Verses in the Bible that say "one can change their mind during the judgement." However, I suppose this is not impossible.