dk

The question was, “How does allowing homosexuals to marry each other endanger the existing or potential relationships of heterosexuals?”

How does gay culture affect social norms, sexual norms, marital norms, MDR microbes, and public education?
Answer...

1. Gay culture undermines social and marital norms by promulgating values laden with promiscuity and pornographic landscapes.
2. Gay culture promotes the normalization of anal sex widely recognized as a self destructive and sadistic sexual practice.
3. Gay culture markets itself to youth in public schools k1-k12, youth organizations, and universities.

That’s what many people find, and that’s why people don’t want gay marriage, because it will legitimize gay culture. What I find most striking on this thread... Nobody has said gay culture needs to clean its act up, except me. . I can’t explain it, perhaps you can?

dk

You need to correct your health instructor,

Unfortunately, availability of highly active retroviral therapy (HAART) paradoxically may increase sexual practices that lead to HIV transmission. Community surveys indicate that, as a result of the availability of HAART, HIV-negative men who have sex with men (MSM) are less concerned about contracting HIV; HIV-positive MSM are less concerned about transmitting HIV; and both groups are more likely to engage in unsafe sex. Also because HAART decreases mortality and improves the quality of life of persons with AIDS, it has increased the number of persons living with HIV/AIDS who are engaging in sexual relations. ------ HIV/AIDS, Sexually Transmitted Diseases, and Tuberculosis Prevention News Update April 16, 2002

This is an example of the degenerative affect gay culture has on public education. I have no doubt your health teacher has good intentions, but

livius drusus

Promulgating how exactly? The focus in popular culture is entirely on straight sex and lots of it. Are you claiming some kind of gay PR campaign is the reason "Temptation Island" exists?
Like every other consensual sex act, anal sex is entirely neutral. It can be self-destructive when practiced unsafely, but so can vaginal intercourse. As for sadistic, I suggest you look into silicone lube. Painful friction is a thing of the past, my friend. Evidence of an organized marketing campaign, please? Billboards, commercials, a memo or two, career day drag queens, anything like that will suffice.

Gladly. You have yet to offer a coherent definition of "gay culture" and until you do, it's unlikely anyone will call for the sanitization of something they don't think exists.

Kimpatsu

Arguing against anal sex is the "lego legover" theory. Unless all the bits fit... Oh, but they do. Better try again...
You know, homophobia is soooo 20th century...

Harumi

Perhaps you haven't gotten this yet, but many people have asked you, and you have yet to give an answer:

DEFINE GAY CULTURE

I fail to see how gays have had any adverse effect on society. What I see are the religious right trying to unseparate the church and state, and intolerance growing in America.

I also fail to see how promiscuity is in any way detrimental to society. Heterosexuals practice this just as much as a homosexual. So why aren't you condemning them?

Until you define gay culture, the people here will take your arguments for what they are: intolerant, biased, and pervasive with bigotry.

Nowhere357

False. Gays are people, some are promiscuous, some are not. Rather like heteros. Some like porn, some do not. Rather like heteros. In terms of sheer quantity, heteros produce far more porn, and engage in far more promiscuity, than gays.

So by your own logic, heteros are more harmful to marriage than gays.

True I guess. Ignorant, hateful, self-righteous, stupid violent homophobes see it that way, yes. Just as once the world was widely recognized as being flat. Do you think the earth is flat?

Self-destructive? Only because it exposes the person to the ignorant, hateful, self-righteous, stupid violence of homophobes.

Sadistic? Non-sequitur. IMO gays are just as sadistic as anyone else. Less sadistic actually - anyone exposed to the ignorant, hateful, self-righteous, stupid violence of homophobes, is likely to become more sensitive to empathy, not less.

So an entire generation is being raised to REJECT the ignorant, hateful, self-righteous, stupid violence of homophobes. Good!

Ignorant, hateful, self-righteous, stupid violent homophobes feel that way, I am sure.

Yes. Two reasons.

1) Most people on this thread are not ignorant, hateful, self-righteous, stupid violent homophobes.

2) Gay culture needs to clean up their act as much as straights need to clean up THEIR act. And because straights are more numerous, clearly they've more cleaning up to do!

Ignorant, hateful, self-righteous, stupid violent homophobes are the problem here. Not what people do on their own time. IMO.

NowHere

dk

Ricomise:
It appears to me that the it is a perceived violation of other's rights, especially those of children, that you feel is a problem in the context of this discussion.
dk: I’d like to back off the gay marriage issue for a second to explain I think our society devalues itself by marketing to youth, without regard for the affects on youth. Gays marriage and culture isn’t the problem but a symptom of the problem, and in my mind the problem stems from intellectual dishonesty, corporate greed and government corruption. In this sense Gay leaders simply want a piece of the pie.

Ricomise:
I would be interested to know exactly which rights of people and children are being violated, and in what ways. I understand that you have presented various statistics regarding the alleged disintegration of the "nuclear" family, and incidences of various diseases amonst homosexual (mostly gay male) populations, and have referenced a "sexualization" of children. How are these effects that you describe attributable to "gay culture?"
dk: This is going to sound out there, but I don’t think Western Civilization has come to grips with the power of broadcast media. The concept of 1 person talking to 50 million people is only about 70 years old. People analyze to death the rise of NAZISM, but its plain Hitler rose to power on the waves of early radio. Another example was Clinton’s impeachment hearings, and they did more to scandalize youth than the last 20 years of gay culture, and in my mind a media orchestration. What makes the US so weird (unique) is its puritanical streak that runs through the whole society from Bob Jones University to the most radical left wing elements at Berkley.

Ricomise:
Further, you have mentioned gays attempting to make an "end run" through the courts. What exactly are they running around? The legislature? The Constitution? The "popular opinion?"
dk: I think to run social change through the Federal Courts is a very bad idea because over time it erodes justice. I thought the Supreme Court should have been impeached for crowning Bush President. When the courts become social legislatures the law becomes a weapon for one group to use against another. In this context, when the law acts against the law people are forced to live lawlessly. Lets suppose in the next generation or so the courts uphold gay and lesbian marriage. Maybe in the next generation those marriage records might be used to track down and sterilize everyone with lineage to a gay or lesbian person. Forty years ago if somebody had said the Supreme Court would select a President, they would have been laughed at.

dk

Health statistics detail the dangers of sticking a penis, fist, etc... up someone's rectum. The anal sphincter valve allows waste to be safely excreted from the digestive tract, by keeping foreign materials out. You can argue the joys of anal sex, but its irresponsible to promote anal sex to youth, just like its irresponsible to promote IDU to youth. The health risks are comparable. .

dk

Hi livius drusus,

livius drusus: Promulgating how exactly? The focus in popular culture is entirely on straight sex and lots of it. Are you claiming some kind of gay PR campaign is the reason "Temptation Island" exists?
dk: Gay culture is promoted through gay, bisexuals and lesbian associations, writers, artists, and patrons.

dk: Gay culture promotes the normalization of anal sex widely recognized as a self destructive and sadistic sexual practice.
livius drusus: Like every other consensual sex act, anal sex is entirely neutral. It can be self-destructive when practiced unsafely, but so can vaginal intercourse. As for sadistic, I suggest you look into silicone lube. Painful friction is a thing of the past, my friend.
dk: No, anal sex isn’t neutral, it penetrates the bodies defense system giving all kinds of nasty microbes direct access to the bodies circulatory system. The idea of anal sex being safe is a misnomer. Please present something from the NIH or CDC that promotes anal sex as safe. To get a even neutral rating you’ll have to go to SIECUS or Planned Parenthood. Tragically these are the folks that prepare many of the sex-ed programs public schools 1-12k.

dk: Gay culture markets itself to youth in public schools k1-k12, youth organizations, and universities.
livius drusus: Evidence of an organized marketing campaign, please? Billboards, commercials, a memo or two, career day drag queens, anything like that will suffice.
dk: Sure, here’s a class that was taught at Columbia
dk: I’ve defined it several times in genial terms, basically gay culture represents the values, desires, norms and tastes of men that live in gay communities. The theatre, art, language, cloths, literature, museums and movies that gay people identify with are all examples of gay culture. I also know there’s a lot of gay culture in San Francisco, Los Angeles, and New York City because AIDS is the leading cause of death among young adult men.

dk

I've defined gay culture ad nausium, and given several examples (see above). I can only guess you learned about promiscuity and anal sex from your pro-gay health instructor. You are in denial, and don’t cry, "heterosexuals practice xxxxx", this is a rationalization for unacceptable behavior.