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Wow, they lose.

Goliath

The 10 year olds "wanted it?!" This makes me absolutely sick.

Hearing this also makes me think that the following plan for the US Govt. to deal with these priests might not be such a bad idea, after all:

1. Any priest convicted of sexually abusing any minor will be immediately castrated and will spend the rest of his life in prison.

2. If it is found that a high-ranking church official (bishop, cardinal, etc) has been giving aid to any priest that has sexually abused children, then this official will spend the rest of his life in prison.

3. If a priest convicted of sexually abusing a minor was in control of a church at the time of his conviction, the church will be immediately seized by the government. The church will then be turned into a parking lot, a strip mall, or anything else that the government wishes to do with it.

4. If the Pope tries to stop the US Government, then we assemble an occupation army and invade Vatican City!

Sincerely,

Goliath

Monkeybot

Transferring this to Miscellaneous Religious Discussions

repoman

This is a link about a predatory molester, Micheal Jackson.

<a href="http://www.lsiscan.com/michael_jackson_s_statement_.htm" target="_blank">http://www.lsiscan.com/michael_jackson_s_statement_.htm</a>

from when he gave a televised speech about the about allegations against him. You might just read the speech, I am not fond of the interpretation of it.
I am not sure if MJ wrote the statement by himself, but I would hope a lawyer would have done a better job.

The one part that is the biggest red flag to me is when he said:

'If I am guilty of anything, it is of believing what God said about children, "Suffer little children to come unto me and forbid them not, for such is the kingdom of heaven." In no way do I think that I am God, but I do try to be Godlike in my heart.'

Is he rationalizing his acts by calling himself godlike and therefore it acceptable to have done his acts? I wonder if this shit was pulled on him as a kid too.

Aquila ka Hecate

Sorry guys I accidently posted in AKH'S post.I'llre-post it under my name

[ June 16, 2002: Message edited by: Aquila ka Hecate ]</p>

AtlanticCitySlave

First, I do not respond to people who copy every single sentence I write and then respond to every single one. It’s a lame technique to get someone to stop writing (or to annoy them), since responding to every sentence they write just makes the conversation too massive to even bother with. Queen of Swords usually does this with everyone, so until she can learn to write without copying line for line, I’ll simply ignore what she has to say.

Second,

“Atlantic city slave, children of 10 are not capable of making important decisions that will affect their whole lives.”

I don’t see any reason to believe this. Many 10 year olds are capable of saying “yes, I want to learn more words so I can be president”. There are many biographies of famous people saying they decided at a very young age what to do with their lives, or “had a calling”, and set out to do it. Regardless, having sex with someone/fooling around isn’t exactly life altering, especially if it’s guy on guy (the guy isn’t going to get pregnant obviously). Sexual contact with minors is common in several other cultures, none of which show any negative results to the child. My point is simply that yes, some of the boys may have “wanted it”, so I think it’s wrong (and too hasty) to simply throw it out. Your examples really make no sense and I would simply suggest you find analogies that are similar to what I write. Fooling around with a guy and working in a sweatshop are hardly similar. The rest of what you write simply blows what I say out of proportion. My post amounts nothing to what you say. It amounts to the fact that a 10 year old might enjoy being fondled by a priest, just like a 10 year old might enjoy being fondled by his hot, 25 year old teacher.

Third, Brighid mainly writes out of anger and seems to be incredibly close minded, especially to the capabilities of what children can think and decide on. Childen can certainly decide if they want to have sex, as they often do. I’m not sure what you mean by “normal”, especially considering other women do fondle young 10 year old boys. Regardless, you’re missing the point. At 10, and even younger, a lot of boys would love to have their older, pretty teachers fool around with them. You can get mad at that if you want, but it’s true. I see no reason to think that maybe some young boys, perhaps homosexuals, wanted to fool around with their priests, or didn’t mind it. I also never said “many” people enjoy it. I said a few might. And, even if they all enjoyed it, my point would still stand. If a child enjoyed getting a blow job from a 40 year old man with no longterm negative results (as happens in other cultures), how can that be “abuse”? I think you’re simply taking what our laws say “abuse” is and assuming the law is the correct basis for this moral question. If I was 10, or even younger, and one of my hot teachers wanted to fool around, I would do it in a second and I would hardly consider it “abuse”. I would consider it a dream, and a darn good one.

As a final note, many children who are “molested” from their early years don’t show any negative effects from it, which is why many social workers often choose to just let the child go on with their lives rather than shove them into counseling. To doubt that a 10 year old can decide if they enjoy being touched in a certain way shows only your lack of appreciation for the capabilities of children, as well as your arrogance for your own capabilities. Older doesn’t always equal mature, thoughtful, etc. There are many young children who can show up any of us in many things, including making good decisions.

Warren Sinden

atlanticcitysicoWHO THE HELL GIVES YOU THE RIGHT TO SAY THAT !!!!
How the hell can a 10 yr old want to be molestered by a priest?
I hope in your next life you get a 10" dick shuved up your ass by a priest!

Show me one 10yr old boy that doesn't fantasize about sleeping with older woman.

I had parents that used negative magick on me when I was growing up my aim is not to kill them but to curse them into their grave. I think the punishment fits a lot better.
When I see people like you and these priests all I can say is where the hell is JOHN GOTTI when you need him? <img src="graemlins/banghead.gif" border="0" alt="[Bang Head]" /> <img src="graemlins/banghead.gif" border="0" alt="[Bang Head]" />

Warren Sinden

Sorry atlantic slave I was bussy posting at the same time you were.Otherwise I would of had more to say.
Tell me what are you trying to say.
A 10yr old walks around saying "I want a priests dick shoved up my ass so I can become a priest"
I'm sorry If anyone is ofended with my language but people like this make me sick.
They deserve to be xians!

Queen of Swords

Originally posted by AtlanticCitySlave:
<strong>First, I do not respond to people who copy every single sentence I write and then respond to every single one. </strong>

Very convenient excuse for you.

<strong>It’s a lame technique to get someone to stop writing (or to annoy them), since responding to every sentence they write just makes the conversation too massive to even bother with. </strong>

Or it highlights every flaw in your "reasoning" and perhaps frightens you to the point where you will grasp at any straw to avoid responding.

<strong>Queen of Swords usually does this with everyone, so until she can learn to write without copying line for line, I’ll simply ignore what she has to say.</strong>

Must have been a new and unpleasant experience, to be asked to provide evidence for an assertion you made.

Not as unpleasant as being sexually assaulted as a child, though.

[ June 16, 2002: Message edited by: QueenofSwords ]</p>

MrDarwin

Ummmm... not sure if I should wade into this, but...

I've had (adult) friends tell me about their sexual experiences when they were younger. Not as young as 10, but not much older (maybe 12 or 14). In most cases this sexual experimentation was with other guys their own age (and in several cases these other guys ended up growing up heterosexual) but in one case it was with adult men, and my friend told me that he himself had initiated it. There was no coercion or abuse of power involved. So yes, there are examples of fully consensual pederasty (and I'm sure there are corresponding heterosexual examples).

We tend to deny that kids do have sexual thoughts and impulses (especially around puberty) and do act on them--although whether it's a good thing for them to act on them is another matter entirely (and for an adult to become sexually involved with a minor is extremely foolish, at the very least).