Ovazor

Well, they are working

It's of course an individual'a choice whether a creationist accepts a supporter of theistic guided evolution as a member of the same faith. Yet a person with same religious affiliation would have more credibility than an outsider, and he would at have thought out the theological aspects of the evolution-creation debate.

But you have point in that some creationist I know have told that they think the mainstream church has betrayed god. Frankly, I think that it is just as likely that such person would accept ToE as that I would become creationist (which is very, very, very unlikely...). If a person makes faith in literal creation a central part of his own religious identity, he would see attempts to convince him about the validity of ToE as unwanted attempt to proselytise. Nobody likes that.

I still think that the evolution-creation debate has too strong "atheist/secular evolutionists vs. christian (or other religion) creationists" characteristic, which is really false from the beginning. As much as atheists want to adopt science for their own, creationists want to monopolise religion. Therefore I think that liberal theists could have a larger part in this discussion, even if I'm an atheist.

Ovazor

Oolon Colluphid

Now that is intriguing. We frequently get creationists (or 'cretinists, as we call 'em ) claiming that there are plenty of scientists who are creationists. It has always turned out they're either not scientists at all, or are physicists, engineers and so on, not anyone who knows any biology. So, are you saying there's an evolutionary biologist who's a creationist? How does he/she do any work?

Cheers, DT

Oolon Colluphid

Great, but watch out for pz .
Let him play, he’s been at the BBC boards, where they don’t even have linking and quoting, let alone graemlins!

Cheers, DT

Wounded King

Well he works on evolutionary/developmental stuff, relationships between genes etc.. Quite how he resolves this with his beliefs, I do not know. Perhaps he views the relationships between the genes as an example of gods handiwork.

What is the creationist argument for being able to use genes to screen across species? Parsimonious God?

Oolon Colluphid

Bloody hell! So why does he think that birds have genes for making teeth and complete fibulas with separate tarsals? Why does he think our embryos have tails? Why does he think that our gene crucial for vitamin c synthesis is broken in precisely the same way as it is broken in apes?!

(refs on request)

DT

Wounded King

I am afraid I can not answer for him, your guess is as good as mine.

And dont worry, Im not stalking you.

I do wish my apostrophe key worked, I look positively illiterate.

cpickett

Most creationists I have discussed it with, seem to have a bullheaded nature when it comes down to the fact that we "came from Monkeys"... I think that most of them can deal with other animals evolving, but not humans. They like to think that we are special somehow.

IME they don't even try, because the idea that their ancestor was a monkey is just revolting to them.

Psychic

man there’s ALWAYS room for god. The smallest gap in the evolutionary model is a good home for all mighty god. Walk with me:
god made the big bang and everything just took It on its own after.
God made the first common ancestors of all organisms.
God directed the evolutionary process, which if left by itself can’t do anything.
God is the gap between chimpanzees and humans.
God CREATED ALL LIVINGS THROUGH NATURAL SELECTION AND EVOLUTION. (god works in mysterious ways)
There is always room for god! And actually it’s at least more beneficial than disregarding the whole evolution!

Albion

Yes, it's interesting how a lot of the creationist venom is reserved for theistic evolutionists. They're the ones who, by their very existence, have blown a rather embarrassing hole in the creationist "evolution-equals-atheism" basic premise.

Albion

He has? Who is he over there? What am I missing? Tell me!

I see you're less cynical than some of the longer-term BBC Creation board regulars. Quoting is fine with the mods as long as it's creationists doing it. Meta's stupid whale thread will be let stand, you just wait and see.