Opera Nut

No one can logically believe that everything in the Bible is true.
There are so many contradictions and untruths in it that if you took it literally, your head would explode.

Even fundies have to pick and choose what they believe. If the Bible was strictly followed, which is totally ridiculous nowadays, nobody who wears glasses could approach an altar, and you could kill your neighbor for wearing a polyester-and-cotton garment! Not to mention those many many contradictions.

You could also kill your neighbor for eating lobster, since eating shellfish is an abomination unto the lord. And breaking up families is Jesus' duty -- he's certainly done plenty of that, as the atheist posters here have written!

Chicken Girl

not only could you kill your neighbor, you would have to.

HelenM

I thought only the high priest could approach the altar anyway.

And I don't recall the Bible saying you could kill your neighbor if they broke any part of the Mosaic Law. It actually says the opposite - it says "Do not kill" and then the New Testament says "love your neighbor" is up there with "love God" as the most important command.

So, if you are sure the Bible says those things, could you tell me where?

Helen

Psycho Economist

Now, now... dietary law breeches won't win you the death sentence. That's reserved for extra-marital sex, working on the sabbath, gay sex, following another religion, advocating another religion*, criticizing your parents, women practicing witchcraft, bestiality, blasphemy, ...

* The only case I know of where you are personally compelled to kill another on the spot is when someone you know well proselytizes another religion to you (Deuteronomy 13:1-10). For all the other capital offenses, you go to the town elders and if they find the dirtbag guilty, all the men of the town take part in an execution on the outskirts of town.

Darth Dane

Jesus saved you, because he said that you are God.

Who can forgive God? You can!
Forgive God for his sin, that he made us in his own image.

"Psalms 82:6 “I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High”."

"Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God? If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not. But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him."


You are in God as God is in you. Yin/yang must be upheld


What do you think?






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Kvalhion

How can students think rationally about their worldview when it is based upon misinformation?

For example, the online edition of a local newspaper in the Twin Cities has a 'Faith and Values' section. Each year, an instructor at a Christian high school has his students go online and post their thoughts on one topic that is on the board (the one they choose is up to them).

The magnitude of their ignorance is astounding. It is not merely that I disagree with their beliefs, but the information they cite is literally wrong. I do not blame them; I blame their instructors, who present their "world view" in such a disingenuous way that it is obvious the students have no clue what they are talking about.

If you want students to think rationally about their world view, you cannot first dictate to them what they should think and believe.

Darth Dane

If you want students to think rationally about their world view, you cannot first dictate to them what they should think and believe.

Hear hear. The decision to believe must be made individually. Teach them all the ways of understanding the world/reality, and let them for themselves decide whether or not to believe A over B.






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Paperstreet

You shouldnt "teach" someone to think a certain way. The reason why many hard-core christians are so hard core about it, is because thats the way they were taught. I have never, ever heard of a person who CHOOSES a religion who attacks people (verbally or physically) or uses violence to enforce there opinion.

You can brainwash someone in to agreeing with you, no sweat. But can you really teach them to think the way you think? You can't teach someone to become a nazi. Why is it that you can teach someone to become a christian? Obviously you have to give them knowledge about a certain philosophy most of the time, but once influence comes into play, you might as well begin the brainwashing sessions.

Darth Dane

You can brainwash someone in to agreeing with you, no sweat. But can you really teach them to think the way you think? You can't teach someone to become a nazi. Why is it that you can teach someone to become a christian? Obviously you have to give them knowledge about a certain philosophy most of the time, but once influence comes into play, you might as well begin the brainwashing sessions.

What do you call, the upbringing of children, if not brainwashing?

The children needs to understand that it will get burned if it touches red hot iron. Whether this is Good or bad, is up to teh individual. But we wouldn't give a child a gun, just so that it can figure out what it does. That wouldn't be practical, and not wise.
We would teach it, that guns are very powerful, and that with great power comes great responsibility.




Waddya think?



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Angrillori

Y'know what's funny, is all this other stuff tagged into the bible.

If you're already gonna pick and choose which verses to believe and which to ignore, why not make it easy:

Say this sentence: Jesus is Lord
and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead.
(It does say that everyone who does the above will be saved...neato eh?) Anyone who says anything different obviously has some reading difficulty.

Oh yeah, afterwards, ignore reality and all the rest of the bible that contradicts itself, science, and reality.