LordSnooty

You're right, I mistook you for the person that typed your previous post. Were you dictating? Fire the typist.

To refresh your memory, you were posting somewhat disparaging remarks about vegetarians. Do you often post such things for no obvious reason?

Because unless I am grossly mistaken, nobody tried to force their moral code upon you. It didn't stop you from referring to vegetarians being 'sanctimonious', 'holier than thou', and mentioning that people are 'simply sick of having a section of the population consider them immoral for their food choice'. These sound more like opinions than neutral observations.

If I've misunderstood you in some way, I apologise.

Paul

Buddrow_Wilson

From having just read these posts, it strikes me that non-vegetarians are far more agressive. Yes, vegans are saying that eating meat is immoral, just stating who they are implies this.

For the most part I am a meat-eater, but I can honestly understand the arguments for vegetarianism. I have been convinced that when done correctly, vegetarianism is a far more healthy lifestyle. I also concede the moral arguments. Unfortunately, I lack they "emphathic energy" to worry(care) about animals, or humans for that matter, that I am not somehow linked to, generally speaking.

Occasionally I will sit down to a meal and be unable to eat the meat portion (this happens most often with pork). For some reason the thought of eating flesh makes my stomach turn at times, but other times I have no problem with it.

I also accept that vegans are indeed living on a higher moral ground than I, regardless of arguments to how realistic it may or may not be for humans to live this way.

So, I accept that being vegetarian is actually a good idea on multiple levels, but don't often live that way. I'll call it a personal lack of morals in this area.

Valmorian

Which disparaging remarks were those exactly?




You think perception of having the higher moral ground is not sanctimonious? What exactly would you think IS?

As for 'holier than thou', well, claiming the more 'rational' morality isn't?

And my comment of 'simply sick of having a section of the population consider them immoral for their food choice' is to point out another possibility of outrage, as opposed to the arrogant assumption that meat eaters feel 'guilty'. Do you not see how condescending such an assumption is?

I think you have misunderstood me, but there's no need to apologize, I can take it.

LordSnooty

Perfectly reasonable. I became vegetarian because of the moral implications. Why would I do that if I didn't believe that vegetarianism was the most moral choice?

So of course I think I have the moral high ground on this matter. It's an unavoidable byproduct of having made what I consider to be a moral decision.

Every time you make a decision based upon and supported by morality, you must surely percieve that said decision is morally superior to the alternative.
Certainly, I can. Guilt may be the explanation in some cases, but I'm not a mind reader.

I think the main problem, as I've stated before, is that people lack empathy towards anything non-human. It's as though people can only understand pain and suffering as human feelings, and they cannot imagine them being felt by animals.

I am not yet old and cynical enough to believe that people do understand the suffering of animals, and still don't care.

Paul

LordSnooty

Well, I for one respect your honesty. It's quite refreshing!

Paul

August Spies

Um perhaps you dont' understand the implication of your posts. You have many times claimed meat eating is immoral. this automatically translates to meat eaters are immoral. For what are the immoral but those who do immoral things?

I agree with you that this is the position you must take, just as a pro-lifer must claim the oppoition is immoral.

Ut

Again, you might have become vegetarian simply because you don't like eating meat. Some people do exactly for that reason, without any moral implications.

LordSnooty

Yeah, but I didn't. And that's the whole point!

I love the taste of meat. I could shovel it into my face all day long.

Paul

Ut

Oops, I thought the "that" in "Why would I do that..." stood for "becoming vegetarian", while it seemed you meant "becoming vegetarian because of the moral implications". Of course, phrased that way, it becomes tautologically true.

The AntiChris

Well, it's not an argument - it's merely a statement of preference (which I'm sure you intended), delivered secure in the knowledge that you're a member of a large meat-eating majority.

I suspect you'd find it "necessary" to provide a more persuasive "argument" if you found yourself in the minority and your 'right' to eat meat were threatened.

Chris