Radorth

You claimed I was a judgemental person. I'm simply asking you for proof. You are either omniscient of everyone's motives or you confused me with some other Christian.

No, because people who judge harshly are invariably hypocritical and self-righteous, and are usually just trying to cover up their own sins. Salvation requires not that one become "good" but to admit they are no better than others in God's eyes.

Heaven is for sinners, like me, not holy people. I'm surprised you don't appreciate that. We irreverent unholy people certainly do.

Rad

Wiploc

You said:



So I pointed out that that was self-righteous and judgmental.

If you don't see that deciding who you want in Heaven with you is judgmental, if you don't see that you are exactly the type of person you have been denouncing in your posts about people being judged as they judge others, then there's nothing I can do to make it any clearer.

I'm done with this thread.
crc

Radorth

Well if I am that "type" of person then I suppose I won't be there. But then it's quite obvious Jesus won't be there either, since he readily condemned such people, and declared they won't be there. Just because someone makes a judgement does not mean they are judgemental. It depends on their motives, as usual.

I don't claim to be free of self-righteousness. I do claim to be aware of it and that Jesus' sacrifice covers that and my other faults. And I certainly do not claim to be any more holy than yourself. In fact I only claim Christ has imputed righteousness to me where there was none. I'm sure any self-righteousness I have will be burned off in purgatory, "as through fire."

I know you're done speaking to the lowly Rad, (again) but you might want to explain how a person who claims no righteousness of his own is somehow like the Pharisees Jesus condemned. Your fans may get confused.

Rad

beyelzu

rad has a persecution complex you get used to it.

it seems to be an affliction that many christians suffer from around here.

Radorth

The skeptics have run out of rational arguments, and turned to personal attacks and mind reading.

(Yawn)

Well I admit, this is the first time I've ever heard that hypocritical, self righteous people are still good people. I'll keep that in mind when I hear the next skeptic calling Christians self-righteous and hypocritical. Personally I agree with some skeptics they are the cause of most all wars and evil, but I'll tell them wiploc disagrees.

Rad

beyelzu

I have never seen you answer a single rational argument put forth by an atheist, much less all of them.


please prove your assertion with some examples.

Radorth

Examples?

Oh duh. You just did it. Then there's accusing me of trying to get wiploc off stride (mind reading), accusing me personally of being judgemental and self-righteous, asserting what "type" of person I am. We call that, in the industry, a "personal attack" I believe.

You call this a complex on my part. I call it Christians putting up with this $*&^% for so long, everybody forgot it was happening.

I'll be happy to discuss the issues or thread topic again, anytime you're ready.

Rad

beyelzu

You constantly accuse everyone of this. Yeah, christians have been putting up with persecution from other christians for quite a while, but as far as atheists go, the christians are norally on the persecuting side.

Radorth

That may be so in some places, but quite the reverse in others, such as China, and north Korea. But we learn here that growing "scientific" and "rational" thinking has not changed anything really. We all have the same frailties, which probably have more to do with our parents, environments and role models than our beliefs.

I don't suppose you feel persecuted by Bush, now do you?

Rad

Radorth

No not everyone, and not constantly. Just those who do it and then act holy about it or make excuses, or follow me around looking for a fight. Things are better now anyway. Perhaps some moderators decided you can have free speech without personal insulting comments. I hope so.

Rad