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Doctor X · 09-05-2003, 04:47 PM

Excellent!

Then given the Five Choices [Tm.--Ed.] this "truth" either does not exist, is evil, is incompetent, is irrelevant, or is some combination of the last three.

Glad that is settled. . . .

--J.D.

crocodile deathroll · 09-05-2003, 05:12 PM

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The truth is God, anything you offer me is a lie. And if you are gonna insult me , at least spell my name right.

That is a classic example of invincible ignorance and seems you clearly did not check out the link
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Hedwig · 09-05-2003, 05:13 PM

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Originally posted by Magus55
The truth is God, anything you offer me is a lie. And if you are gonna insult me , at least spell my name right.

Did you check out the link?

-DM- · 09-05-2003, 10:44 PM

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Originally posted by Magus55
Because I see atheists proving the claims made in the Bible on a daily basis in regard to unbelievers.

I hope you realize that this is a non sequitur in that any claim made in the Bible with regard to unbelievers says nothing necessarily about the existence of any god. Keep in mind, too, that many of the claims made in the Bible about unbelievers apply equally to that of so-called believers (if what you have in mind is behavior). There is very little difference in terms of behavoir between believers and nonbelievers, as has been demonstrated by Christian researcher George Barna.

-Don-

Magus55 · 09-06-2003, 06:29 AM

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Originally posted by -DM-
I hope you realize that this is a non sequitur in that any claim made in the Bible with regard to unbelievers says nothing necessarily about the existence of any god. Keep in mind, too, that many of the claims made in the Bible about unbelievers apply equally to that of so-called believers (if what you have in mind is behavior). There is very little difference in terms of behavoir between believers and nonbelievers, as has been demonstrated by Christian researcher George Barna.

-Don-

It proves God's existance to me. Whether or not it proves the existence of God to an unbeliever is irrelevant. It proves it to me.

Magus55 · 09-06-2003, 06:35 AM

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Originally posted by Definitely Maybe
I'm amazed that a Christian can come to these boards and not at the least leave with more liberal thoughts. While this board has made me think of things I never considered in my most fundie Christian days, it was other sites that started the ball rolling. Mainly James Buckner's site about his deconversion. For years I tried to avoid reading about exChristians on the net. When I finally decided to see what they had to say it was like a balloon busting.

why are you amazed? If a Christians faith is strong enough, only God can show their error. Humans don't know enough to trust with eternal fate. If my interpretation of certain parts of the Bible, like Genesis are wrong, then so be it, but only God will be able to convince me since humans are fallible.

KnightWhoSaysNi · 09-06-2003, 06:51 AM

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Originally posted by Magus55
why are you amazed? If a Christians faith is strong enough, only God can show their error. Humans don't know enough to trust with eternal fate. If my interpretation of certain parts of the Bible, like Genesis are wrong, then so be it, but only God will be able to convince me since humans are fallible.

With all due respect, Magus, this is a perfect example of ---

If humans are fallible and human beliefs can be in error, then why not the belief in evangelical Christian Biblical literalism? Surely you'd agree that theistic beliefs can be in error. Millions of people believe in the theism of the Qur'an or the Book of Mormon. What makes you exempt?

Just to play the words a bit:

why are you amazed? If a Muslim's faith is strong enough, only Allah can show their error. Humans don't know enough to trust with eternal fate. If my interpretation of certain parts of the Qur'an, like Al-Fatiha are wrong, then so be it, but only Allah will be able to convince me since humans are fallible.

Jason

crocodile deathroll · 09-06-2003, 06:51 AM

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Originally posted by Magus55
why are you amazed? If a Christians faith is strong enough, only God can show their error. Humans don't know enough to trust with eternal fate. If my interpretation of certain parts of the Bible, like Genesis are wrong, then so be it, but only God will be able to convince me since humans are fallible.

And of course humans wrote the bible.

Heathen Dawn · 09-06-2003, 07:33 AM

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Humans don't know enough to trust with eternal fate.

Another veiled argumentum ad baculum (Appeal to Force). Not surprising, since Christianity is one great big argumentum ad baculum.

Magus: it's YOUR hell; YOU go there!

Magus55 · 09-06-2003, 07:47 AM

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Originally posted by crocodile deathroll
And of course humans wrote the bible.

2Ti 3:16 All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

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09-05-2003, 04:47 PM	#21
Doctor X Banned Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: USA Posts: 3,794	Excellent! Then given the Five Choices [Tm.--Ed.] this "truth" either does not exist, is evil, is incompetent, is irrelevant, or is some combination of the last three. Glad that is settled. . . . --J.D.

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